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Man charged with illegally buying gun for Kyle Rittenhouse
wisn.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2020

Posted on 11/10/2020 7:34:34 AM PST by PROCON

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To: ConservativeMind
...If someone bought an extra gun and lent it for a night, how is that illegal?...

Well, the prosecution claim is that Rittenhouse gave this other person money for the gun.

But I think the claim fails because Rittenhouse did not have possession of the gun before the night in question.

I think if I give you money to buy a gun that you are going to deliver to me that is a straw purchase. If I give you money to buy a gun that you will hold on to and lend to me when I go shooting with you, that is not a clear cut straw purchase. Transfer of ownership never happened.

21 posted on 11/10/2020 8:13:32 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Panzerfaust

Crud.


22 posted on 11/10/2020 8:14:24 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: The Toll

Knowing this younger generation, Rittenhouse probably used an app to transfer the funds for the rifle to his friend, hence the prosecution having something to squeeze the accused with. In my day, we used cash.


23 posted on 11/10/2020 8:15:47 AM PST by Panzerfaust (The HK P7 .....it's what Jesus would carry.)
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To: PROCON

“Prosecutors said Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, of Antioch, Illinois, gave Black the money used to buy the gun.”

Prove it, Prosecutor. That’s a hard bar to reach.


24 posted on 11/10/2020 8:16:53 AM PST by griffin
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To: ConservativeMind

Got my hunter safety through the Boy Scouts.


25 posted on 11/10/2020 8:18:22 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: CurlyDave

I don’t know the answer to this: but did Rittenhouse have the legal standing to possess a firearm in WI?

I know that I cannot “allow” a minor from Il. without proper certification to use my long rifle in MA.

They would have to have completed a MA firearms course and possess an FID card.


26 posted on 11/10/2020 8:18:31 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: PROCON
At the same time, no national news at all about people who rioted, stole, assaulted and murdered, including killing cops.

27 posted on 11/10/2020 8:19:31 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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To: Panzerfaust; All
Straw purchase would be hard to prove, because he did not transfer the firearm to Rittenhouse.

The rifle was kept in Wisconsin.

Rittenhouse could legally possess the rifle in Wisconsin. He was not a prohibited possessor.

28 posted on 11/10/2020 8:21:50 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This is a way to get a Federal charge against him. That is pretty clear.


29 posted on 11/10/2020 8:22:02 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: PROCON

Well, that’s not going to help this situation onw, is it?

All by design, Comrade. All. By. Design. :(


30 posted on 11/10/2020 8:22:28 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: PROCON

***...was not legally able to buy the gun because he was not 18 years old.***

Got my first at 14, and later bought my own at 18. But that was before 1968 and Johnson’s Gun Control Act.


31 posted on 11/10/2020 8:22:30 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: BuffaloJack

You might have noticed that things have changed in the past 60 years.


32 posted on 11/10/2020 8:23:13 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: PROCON

” to kill two protesters “

They were rioters, arsonists and looters, in addition to being paroled pedophiles, violent assaulters, and a host of other significant crimes.

Not “peaceful protesters”.


33 posted on 11/10/2020 8:23:16 AM PST by Regulator (It's Fraud, Jim)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I’ve always wondered how long I have to retain a firearm I bought before I can give or sell it without being a “straw buyer”.

A day? A week? A month? A year?


34 posted on 11/10/2020 8:24:35 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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Rittenhouse could legally possess the rifle in Wisconsin. He was not a prohibited possessor.

Great point for his defense team.

35 posted on 11/10/2020 8:25:30 AM PST by PROCON (Molon Labe)
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To: The Toll

Or from the vendor.

How did the firearm make it from the guy who bought it, to Kyle. When did that happen and the circumstances. Did Kyle bring it across state lines?

That would clear things up.


36 posted on 11/10/2020 8:26:09 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: griffin

It’s not hard at all. The idiot probably sent him a Venmo for the exact amount on the exact day.


37 posted on 11/10/2020 8:27:30 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Ruy Dias de Bivar :" I’ve always wondered how long I have to retain a firearm I bought
before I can give or sell it without being a “straw buyer”.
A day? A week? A month? A year?"

I don't believe that the Fed law indicates any length of time that you must own the firearm.
I think as long as it is defensible, and doesn't violate 'probable cause', you are safe from prosecution.

38 posted on 11/10/2020 8:30:17 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt
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I’ve always wondered how long I have to retain a firearm I bought before I can give or sell it without being a “straw buyer”.

A day? A week? A month? A year?

About 20 years ago, when I had an Federal Firearms License, at an ATF seminar, the ATF agents told us that after a firearm was transferred to our private collection, once it was privately ours for a year, we could sell it as a private sale.

Back then, I thought it was a clear, hard, rule.

But that was for someone who was a Federal Firearms Licensee.

39 posted on 11/10/2020 8:38:24 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Illinois has reciprocity agreements with its neighbor states regarding firearm acquisition and possession. So long as Rittenhouse had a legal Illinois FOID, I don’t think there would be an issue in this case.


40 posted on 11/10/2020 8:40:05 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy...and call it progress")
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