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To: Cronos

War could have ended months earlier had Patton been given fuel to continue pushing once the breakout occurred in France as Germany was on the ropes. Instead they diverted resources for market-garden.

Decision to let Soviets take Berlin was made in Yalta.


27 posted on 11/10/2020 6:31:04 AM PST by zek157
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To: zek157

Stalin wanted a higher count of Soviet dead to give him “moral superiority”, as in “We lost 20 million people, so we deserve Eastern Europe!”


28 posted on 11/10/2020 6:35:03 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: zek157

“War could have ended months earlier had Patton been given fuel to continue pushing once the breakout occurred in France as Germany was on the ropes. Instead they diverted resources for market-garden.

Decision to let Soviets take Berlin was made in Yalta.”


This. Near the end of the summer of 1944, the Germans had essentially nothing between the 500,000 men of Third Army and Berlin. Had we had the guts to support a thrust by Patton and 3rd Army into Germany, complete with some diversionary attacks, bombing raids and a massive airborne assault on Berlin, I firmly believe that we could have ended the war by October of 1944. Even if that effort had not been successful, the war would still have ended much sooner because IF the Germans would have been able to defeat it (and I don’t think that they could have, not at that moment in time), they only would have been able to do so by pulling large numbers of troops from elsewhere, leading to faster allied progress on other fronts (not the least of which would have been from the Russians).

Our failure to hand this mission to the best field commander that we had in WW2 was a strategic error of monumental proportions.


40 posted on 11/10/2020 7:16:31 AM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: zek157

Yet, how would that logistics have taken place — Patton was racing ahead of his logistics line.

I agree the decision was made, but by 1944 july the russians were going to take Berlin — heck they were already in Warsaw then


70 posted on 11/10/2020 8:29:34 AM PST by Cronos
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To: zek157

There was more interested in the destruction of Germany (again) than keeping Russia Contained.

We owned the logistics. But not the “will” or the terrain.


93 posted on 11/10/2020 1:52:16 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We have entered "Insanity Week." Act accordingly.)
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To: zek157

“War could have ended months earlier had Patton been given fuel to continue pushing once the breakout occurred in France as Germany was on the ropes. Instead they diverted resources for market-garden.”

A shortage of resources isn’t what stopped Patton. There were supplies. Patton simply moved so fast there was no way to get them to him.

The logistics plan included a portable fuel pipeline that would follow the front but Patton moved faster than it could be built. So Patton created his own 5,000 truck convoy, the Red Ball Express, to run gas and ammo to his army. That worked until the distance from the depots to the front became too long. The supply trucks were running out of gas and breaking down.


114 posted on 11/10/2020 9:47:54 PM PST by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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