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To: Cronos
The allies didn’t “allow” - let’s be blunt, there was little they could do. The Italian campaign had hit a stalemate and it took until 1944 for D-day, while the Russians were already hammering in Poland. There was no way to prevent the Russians getting to Berlin first.

But what if the US had not supplied the USSR with so much material that helped enabled it (despite Stalin's absurd programs executing military leadership) to become an advancing army, getting to Berlin first? What if humanitarian assistance was given but only enough military aid was supplied in order for Stalin to stave off Germany? Lots of "ifs" in history as well as Scripture.

26 posted on 11/10/2020 6:29:39 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

If the USA had not supplied the USSR with materiel the USSR would have collapsed in 1942/43

If humanitarian assistance was given but lesser military aid then the USSR would have collapsed.

Bluntly, without American manufacturing prowess, the USSR stood no chance against the Germans


52 posted on 11/10/2020 7:40:09 AM PST by Cronos
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To: daniel1212

If we hadn’t been supply the USSR they would have lost. Then the vast majority of people and material Germany had on the Eastern Front would have instead been on the Western Front, and we have a much tougher war and maybe don’t even win it.


72 posted on 11/10/2020 8:32:57 AM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: daniel1212
Lots of "ifs" in history as well as Scripture.

Not really.

There are a lot of Ifs in history yes, and that's also in the historical books of the Bible (Kings, Maccabees, Acts, etc.) which are linear.

In the case of apocalyptic books like Daniel, Apocalypse/Revelation etc. the imagery is not liner particularly

In the case of history, yes, that's linear, but to take a Stoic concept - the end result is the same, the flows may vary based on the particular iteration of the universe.... :)

78 posted on 11/10/2020 10:11:13 AM PST by Cronos
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“But what if the US had not supplied the USSR with so much material that helped enabled it (despite Stalin’s absurd programs executing military leadership) to become an advancing army, getting to Berlin first? “

Then Stalin’s choice would have been to do what we feared, which is to arrange a separate peace with Germany. And that would have freed up 3 million German troops to join the battle against us on the western front.


113 posted on 11/10/2020 9:16:26 PM PST by Pelham (Liberate the Democrats from their Communist occupation)
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