Posted on 11/10/2020 5:43:42 AM PST by Kaslin
They had “an” effect. Again, Harry Dexter White as Assist. Sec of Treas was the most important. His impact was not negligible, but didn’t “give China to the Commies.”
When Hitler won France, people woke up and Isolationism on the Right did start to wane, as people demanded we start helping Britain, but the Left Isolationists dug their heels in, until Hitler invaded the Soviet Union.
Even before his September 41 speech, Lindbergh was pretty marginalized.
I didn’t say anything about Britain.
Germany didn’t come close at Kursk. Total fiasco.
None are so blind as those who will not see.
If the left was so tiny then why did all the major newspapers, particularly the New York Times, work so hard in the early 30s to cover up Stalin’s Holodomor genocide in in Ukraine?
Read about the 1919 Anarchist Bombings:
“ seven U.S. cities, on the evening of June 2, 1919, all within approximately 90 minutes of one another, bombs of extraordinary capacity rocked some of the biggest urban areas in America, including New York; Boston; Pittsburgh; Cleveland; Washington; D.C.m Philadelphia; and Patterson, New Jersey. The bombings were a concerted effort among U.S. based anarchists who were most likely disciples of Luigi Galleani, a vehemently radical anarchist who advocated violence as a means to effect change to rid the world of laws and capitalism.”
https://www.legendsofamerica.com/ah-1919bombings/
Does that not seem similar to Antifa?
This is way more fun that the election mess though.
How much of the Eastern Front was Kharkov? Did you pay attention to the rest of it?
The Germans were only able to fight at Kharkov and later at Kursk by shortening the front giving up the Rzhev Salient and freeing up divisions from there.
Kursk boggles my mind. 100 miles of layered anti-tank defenses claimed 800,000+ casualties and over 6000 tanks and assault guns destroyed. How the Germans thought they would win was all in Hitler’s head.
Kursk is like what-iffing the 1972 McGovern campaign.
A German General, in the early days of Barbarossa, when it looked like the Germans were going to wipe out the Soviet Union, came across the T-34 for the first time. He said, “If the Soviets mass produce this tank, Germany will lose the war.”
Yet, how would that logistics have taken place — Patton was racing ahead of his logistics line.
I agree the decision was made, but by 1944 july the russians were going to take Berlin — heck they were already in Warsaw then
The only way to do anything at Kursk would have been to drive east in a wide encirclement around the defenses and let Kursk starve. But that wouldn’t work either because going east the Germans run out of gas and into more Soviet divisions.
If we hadn’t been supply the USSR they would have lost. Then the vast majority of people and material Germany had on the Eastern Front would have instead been on the Western Front, and we have a much tougher war and maybe don’t even win it.
That was the result of having a bad ally. Bailing Italy out of Greece (which was a pointless invasion) delayed the invasion of Russia by a month. The month that saved Moscow.
Sure does. And is minor.
Did it affect the change in laws? Hardly.
Do you happen to recall, blind man, what the 1920s were called?
That’s right, the “roaring 20s.” Yeah, sounds like they really dinged capitalism.
In college I had a WWII history class and the question of pushing the Soviets out of Eastern Europe after Germany was defeated came up. I can’t say for sure what his politics were but he was certainly no Leftist. He was probably my favorite teacher. He spoke in a blunt, gruff manner and had no tolerance for tolerance for stupidity. If Clint Eastwood was a teacher he would have been like this guy. He chain smoked cigarettes in the classrooms while he taught. This was in the early 1990s.
Anyway, he said once Germany and Japan were defeated that there was no way in hell the American public (or American soldiers” would have wanted to go into another conflict with the Soviet Union. People were tired of the war and just wanted it over. Not that people trusted or liked the Soviet Union but it would have been asking people too much to have them endure more war.
Patton was right though.
I could provide you with endless points of proof but your mind is closed. Leftism was so small then yet it resulted in the 16th Amendment and the federal income tax, FDR’s New Deal, Social Security, etc. Small indeed.
This soldier tales of the battles he was in will show how brutal the war was. He was the only original member left alive and they went thru hundreds of men in his unit. All in a few short days and months.
If You Survive: From Normandy to the Battle of the Bulge to the End of World War II, One American Officer’s Riveting True Story
https://www.amazon.com/If-You-Survive-Normandy-American/dp/0804100039/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2YA5ASK17STMU&dchild=1&keywords=if+you+survive+george+wilson&qid=1605030721&sprefix=if+you+survive+%2Caps%2C234&sr=8-1
Not really.
There are a lot of Ifs in history yes, and that's also in the historical books of the Bible (Kings, Maccabees, Acts, etc.) which are linear.
In the case of apocalyptic books like Daniel, Apocalypse/Revelation etc. the imagery is not liner particularly
In the case of history, yes, that's linear, but to take a Stoic concept - the end result is the same, the flows may vary based on the particular iteration of the universe.... :)
But Patton proved wrong wasn't he? There was no great US-USSR war. We didn't suffer another half million kids killed let alone the civilian toll such foolishness would have entailed. We worked it out through diplomacy, messy as it was and ultimately bankrupted them 40 years later thanks to President Reagan. Given the choice, I would think that was the much better option. Besides Truman along with Ike and the rest of the generals were not going to buy into a speculative theory of some trigger happy General. They knew the casualties it would entail. But Patton did serve his purpose ; he was a great field general and a great tactician. But that's about it
The Rick Atkinson Liberation Trilogy makes the point that by the end, the US Army was running on fumes. The draft was scraping the bottom of the barrel, lowering standards to bring in more men. The Germans had done a typically thorough job of destroying the ports in Europe that they couldn't hold. And they managed to hold some ports in France, like St. Nazaire (home of the U-Boat pens) until the end of the war. That meant that all the American supply had to come a long way by truck, after coming a longer way by ship and facing a complicated process to get it to shore. A single gasoline tanker truck carrying 750 gallons would use 150 gallons of gas just to get to the front and back. Roads were jammed with trucks going back and forth longer and longer distances. The idea that we were going to defeat the Russians in the summer of 1945 is a fantasy.
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