What Our Election *Week* Timeline Will Look Like If It Comes Down To PA or MI (Dem certifies the vote in each state)

Talking Points Memo ^ | October 21, 2020 | Tierney Sneed

[DoodleBob]

If the presidential election comes down to Pennsylvania or Michigan, it could take until Friday after Election Day — or maybe even later — for those results to be tabulated, the states’ chief election officials said Tuesday.

Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar (D) and Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) both elaborated on their predictions for their states’ counting timelines during a web panel hosted by the Harvard Ash Center Tuesday afternoon.

Both states have rules limiting how much processing of mail-in ballots can be done before Election Day — though Michigan’s legislature recently agreed to a modest loosening of its rules.

Because of that new tweak — which will let the largest 51 cities begin ballot pre-processing on Nov. 2 — and because of the other ways election officials are scaling up their counting infrastructure there, Benson was expecting that a “full tabulation” could be reported by Friday, Nov. 6.

Additionally, an appeals court last week reinstated the state’s Election Day deadline for receiving mail-in ballots. Though that could lead to more ballots being rejected because they came in late, the upshot is there will be no delay in the processing for ballots still coming in after Election Day. Benson is already telling absentee voters that if they haven’t put their ballots in the mail yet, they should drop them off in person instead.

Boockvar’s projections were less certain, as she predicted only that an “overwhelming majority” of ballots will be counted by Nov. 6.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled last month that ballots coming within the three days after Election Day should be counted — a ruling the U.S. Supreme Court let stand in a 4-4 deadlocked order this week.

[DoodleBob]

The legit Trump vote has to crush the fraud or else these Dems will likely certify their respective States' vote for Biden.

[faithhopecharity]

Yup. Pdjt has to win by at least ten points if we can’t stop the dnc election theft scheme

[BenLurkin]

bttt

[MHT]

It may boil down to NC.

[Republican Wildcat]

Can’t let it be any closer than a full 2% victory (without rounding) to overcome fraud.

[Truthoverpower]

It will not

Trump will win both by 10 plus points

[CJ Wolf]

it will come down to if Virginia, Cali and Hawaii can make it only 5 electoral votes for Biden.

Careful what you wish for.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/politics/va-house-electoral-college-popular-vote/index.html

[TECTopcat]

agree-we have to win big in both-PA is definitely setting up for cheating so I am going with wins in MI and WI to put us over while holding core of AZ,NC,FL,OH

ohio is done deal, Fl looking good and NC and AZ hopefully -AZ is the possible one to sweat-as PeoplesPundit has shown the new first year residents are actually voting conservative (conservatives move out of CA not libs) but it is the rising Hispanic vote (they go 70% Dem) that turns states blue. good news is Trump has been reaching out to them

Just look at the states won by Trump in 2016,he won 32 states but only 4 have a population of Hispanic voters over 13%. Clinton by contrast won 28 states and only 5 had a Hispanic population of under 13%.

[reasonisfaith]

Fear not.

[Kenny]

The courts are backing the fraud, no signature verification required, days, weeks past election day to receive and count ballots. I’m terrified we’re going to lose it all because we let too many of these traitors in high positions.

[BillyCuccio]

We have a second amendment for a reason. We aren’t losing anything to communist Chinese puppets.

[know.your.why]

“People who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” -Joseph Stalin

[know.your.why]

One more... “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” -Joseph Stalin

[doc maverick]

IF it takes till Friday, the Democrats are engaging in ballot stuffing and other forms of BALLOT FRAUD!
We should know by TUESDAY at the latest.

[joma89]

I have no faith in our institutions writ large. I expect leftist democrats to theive, steal, surppress, lie, cheat and do everything illegal or immoral to steal this election.

JoMa

[PubliusMM]

So...the last few election cycles, these (and other) assclowns have dragged out the count, for whatever reason, beyond the date of the election. Ballots found in lockers, car trunks, dumpsters, post offices, etc.

How is it, then, that these same places had no problems over the prior 200 or so years? Perhaps we just never heard about it?

Inquiring minds want to know. Guess it’s time for some more research...

[LS]

We’ve been through this a hundred times.

On Dec. 14 the elector slates must be transmitted to the US Senate and Archivist. Thus they must be certified at some point before that.

There are no stated penalties for not transmitting, except for the state’s Secretary of State (a minor fine). While in most cases the Secretary of State “certifies” the count, a STATE LEGISLATURE may transmit the electors names regardless. There is nothing in the Constitution or the statutory law about how and when electors must be certified before that transmission date. If there is, I missed it.

It is the legislature’s job, and only the legislature’s, to transmit the elector slate. The governors play no role, except that the Secretary of State is under their executive branch.

If a goofball governor such as Witless Protection transmitted her own competing slate, the Senate would ignore it. Yes. Yertile would throw this out faster than a Milli Vanilli greatest hits album.

If, for some reason, a slate is NOT sent on time, both the Senate and the US Archivist may demand it (but no teeth in this). However, statute law says that a Federal court in the state may also demand it. Now you’re talking contempt, etc.

Is there an example of a state that didn’t transmit? The Confederate states had not yet withdrawn from the Union by Nov. 1860 and their electors all went to other people. I haven’t looked into the actual senate count, so I don’t know if elector slates were ever actually sent from South Carolina, Georgia, etc.

Since the requirement is that all electors shall be counted on the same day, my guess is if some state was withholding electors, the president would be elected from those whose slates were submitted, but this is murky. Some say it must be 435, others say it is a majority of those submitted.

Regardless, I don’t think it will go that far. Both the pressure from the US Senate, the courts, and most of all, the state legislatures in MI, PA, and WI which are red would all see that “a” slate is submitted.

So, the short answer is, No, the Dems cannot “likely certify their respective state’s vote for Biden.”

[DoodleBob]

This is good info, thank you.

Let me be a little clearer. To be sure "Each state shall appoint, in such a manner as the legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors," is what governs. And, to be sure, Gov Wolf submitted the Republican slate of PA electors to the Senate archivist in 2016, when the margin was very close (and I suspect fraud in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and other Dem strongholds was jacked).

What many of us are envisioning in 2020 closer election driven by Dem fraud...lots of late ballots, some "found" ballots etc. In PA, that vote is certified by the Dem Boockvar. Let's say that despite many egregious example of Dem fraud, Boockvar certifies for because, ya know, we don't have time to investigate every claim of a problem by the "clearly partisan Trump camp".

In that case, I would HOPE the legislature steps in...the legislatures are R in 29 States, including PA, MI, and split in MN and Alaska - here is the map.

My point is, Wolf certified at close but uncontested vote in 2016. If it is close and ugly, Boockvar may cert for Biden even if there are shenanigans and the Legislature doesn't do its job (PA's Legislature hasn't always had a backbone). But if Trump wins by, say, 2%, it shouldn't get there.

That's why this is no year to stay at home and just assume Trump will destroy Biden, though the oil slip was gold.

[LS]

However, it is not Boockvar’s job to submit the slate of electors.

Constitutionally, that is ONLY the job of the legislature, which I think if there are shenanigans would submit Trump electors.

[LS]

I think the most interesting thing will be a) MI is called and election is over, b) Wolf doesn’t want to certify even though Trump won & ballots are outstanding; and c) legislature wields its constitutional right to submit the slate.