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Unanswered Questions About Denver 'Security Guard' Killer
The Thread Reader ^ | October 12, 2020 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 10/12/2020 6:15:27 AM PDT by artichokegrower

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To: sevlex

Incredible...great find.


21 posted on 10/12/2020 7:40:13 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Steven Tyler
The younger trigger puller escalated by pulling his gun. Why?

Ego was hurt or he figured that the slap justified execution if he was carrying out a plan, imo. Murder either way. Any sort of drug could also could ease you past that fine line of self control, too. And the guy is said to be an atheist so there is a another guard rail he didn't have. About all the reasons I can think of.

22 posted on 10/12/2020 7:45:36 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: freeandfreezing

We can speculate, and we will never know.

The deceased had mere seconds to go through his decision tree, as the trigger puller had already drawn a gun.


23 posted on 10/12/2020 7:58:51 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Karl Spooner

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2015/03/the-jihad-triangle.html

I accept the above as a possible explanation for why normal mooselimbs flip from regular person to bloodthirsty jihady

I think community organizers use the same template to flip people seeking a utopia from “Regular Joe” into a blood thirsty lunatic


24 posted on 10/12/2020 8:08:49 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Fido969

The shot from far away shows the gunshot and the mace cloud happening very close together, I think less that a second. That tell me that the gun was already out when the victim sprayed.
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The worthless Denver cops did say there was street camera footage. Not that it matters when you are comparing mace against a deadly weapon, but I bet the victim’s only defense was mace in the final split second. Clearly, there is no evidence of Keitner with a gun. Allegedly, there were two guns on the ground when it was all over. Was the second gun also Dulloff’s or planted by the reporter?


25 posted on 10/12/2020 8:21:14 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: DJ MacWoW; eastexsteve
The Patriots were holding a “Support the Blue” rally that BLM/Antifa crashed.

This didn't help anything either. I wouldn't hold anymore cop appreciation events.

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Denver police union head: 'Stand-down' order was in effect when pro-cop rally attacked

Cops

26 posted on 10/12/2020 8:29:21 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner
This didn't help anything either. I wouldn't hold anymore cop appreciation events.

As I said earlier, I certainly wouldn't hold them in liberal strongholds. You have no tactical advantage there.

27 posted on 10/12/2020 8:31:04 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: sevlex

Sorry to say, from only seeing the video, the shooter was assaulted, victim stepped back and raised his hand with an object in it, as to be aiming at shooter. Self defense.


28 posted on 10/12/2020 8:43:40 AM PDT by Fireone (Build the gallows first, then the Wall!)
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To: Fido969

***That tell me that the gun was already out when the victim sprayed.***

In the process of drawing. It happened so quick that this not an idle gesture with hand merely on gun.

https://i.postimg.cc/8zJDgr7K/gun-drawn.jpg


29 posted on 10/12/2020 8:53:46 AM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: iontheball
Clearly, there is no evidence of Keitner with a gun. Allegedly, there were two guns on the ground when it was all over.

From some pretty good analysis I've been following, Keitner had a gun in a holster on the left side, but never pulled it. The picture of the killer reaching for the victim (the "slap" picture,) shows him reaching for the victim's waist, possibly to the holstered gun, which you can just make out under the jacket. After warding the killer off with a slap, the victim steps back a few paces, then, oddly, we're missing the Denver Post's pictures where the killer pulls the gun out.

Based on the possible timing, the gun was out and aimed when the pepper spray was deployed.

30 posted on 10/12/2020 8:53:57 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Karl Spooner
If that is the picture of the gun being drawn, at that time the victim has both hands down.

I don't trust the Denver police on this, but it is a murder in their district, and so they have jurisdiction. Corrupt Wray would never allow it to be classified as a hate crime, because antifa is just an idea, don't you know, but this needs to be looked at by a different agency.

31 posted on 10/12/2020 8:57:17 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fireone
Sorry to say, from only seeing the video, the shooter was assaulted, victim stepped back and raised his hand with an object in it, as to be aiming at shooter. Self defense.

Nope, that video is missing frames - namely the frames that show the killer drawing the gun.

Piecing that together from other photos and evidence, we see:

(1) Killer reaches for victims waist, victim had a holstered gun, and was holding a can of bear spray at his waist.

(2) Victim slaps killer away while the killers hand is at or very close to the victims waist trying to grab bear spray or holstered gun.

(3) Victim steps back about 8 feet.

(4) Killer draws gun, while victim still has both hands down.

(5) Victim, reacting to this unknown person pointing a gun at his face, bring bear spray up and sprays, killer fires gun (already raised and pointed) almost immediately.

You consider with that information that the killer was acting in "self-defense"? If so, I think you need some more CCW training.

32 posted on 10/12/2020 9:12:48 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Bratch

There’s a whole lot more to this manufactured incident than the Denver PD and the rabid liars at 9News are letting on.

BLM agitator and Zack Newman should fry along with Dolloff.
Not holding my breath though because Denver is run by liberal scum. Wouldn’t surprise me if the DPD is in on it too.


33 posted on 10/12/2020 10:19:18 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Like Enoch, Noah, & Lot, the True Church will soon be removed & then destruction comes forth.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Apparently there is HALO video that the cops are sitting on. Don’t be surpised if the brass decides to “lose” it.


34 posted on 10/12/2020 10:33:54 AM PDT by sevlex
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To: Fido969

you must have missed the part where I said from only seeing the video.


35 posted on 10/12/2020 3:43:57 PM PDT by Fireone (Build the gallows first, then the Wall!)
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To: Fido969

Seems I’m not the only one, we’ll see how the jury sees it.

https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3893131/posts


36 posted on 10/12/2020 8:09:11 PM PDT by Fireone (Build the gallows first, then the Wall!)
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