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Stanford Professor Warns COVID Shelter-in-Place Orders Are ‘Killing People'
NBC Bay Area ^ | Oct 7 2020 | Bigad Shaban, Robert Campos, Tony Rutanashoodech, Mark Villarreal and Jeremy Carroll

Posted on 10/08/2020 5:12:09 PM PDT by rintintin

Dr. John Ioannidis is among a growing number of scientists who believe the current shelter-in-place orders in California continue to impose excessive and potentially harmful measures on most of the population, while failing to adopt strong enough restrictions to adequately protect those who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.

“We can take even more draconian measures to protect people and locations and settings that we know at very high risk,” said Ioannidis, a Harvard-trained doctor of internal medicine, infectious disease specialist and professor of medicine at Stanford University.

Ioannidis believes the initial lockdown was the right approach in March, when little was known about COVID-19. Now, however, that more data is available, he is calling for more extreme protections for people who are at high risk of infection, including the elderly and those with heart disease, diabetes and pulmonary disorders.

Vulnerable people, he believes, should continue to shelter in place, and anyone living or working in a high risk setting should receive weekly COVID-19 testing and careful contact tracing. He recommends similar measures for meat packing plants, prisons and especially nursing homes, where Centers for Disease Control data shows about one-third of all deaths have occurred.

At the same time, Ioannidis is convinced that shelter in place orders are doing great harm to the rest of society.

“We know that 95% of the population has practically minimal risk,” he said, adding “It's unlikely that in the current situation we are really saving lives. I think that probably we're killing people by following some of these measures for forever.”

According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, 29% of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of catching the coronavirus.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcbayarea.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; coronavirus; covid19; fear; lockdown; mentalhealth; virus; wuhanflu
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1 posted on 10/08/2020 5:12:09 PM PDT by rintintin
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To: rintintin

I’ve already seen one work colleague commit suicide.


2 posted on 10/08/2020 5:13:19 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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To: rintintin

Stanford. Really?


3 posted on 10/08/2020 5:15:15 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (Religion. It's like a History class. Without the facts.)
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To: rintintin

Great catch...BOOKMARKED!!!


4 posted on 10/08/2020 5:17:28 PM PDT by SierraWasp (MASA (Make America Straight Again!!!))
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To: \/\/ayne

How awful. I’m so sorry!


5 posted on 10/08/2020 5:17:52 PM PDT by TXBlair (We will not forget Benghazi.)
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The Rats are about destruction.


6 posted on 10/08/2020 5:20:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: \/\/ayne

I know more than one person who relapsed and died.


7 posted on 10/08/2020 5:21:33 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: rintintin

Amazing that Quarantining the Healthy and Shutting Down ALL Commerce and Socializing for a Virus with a Death Rate on Par with seasonal Influenza has negative side effects.


8 posted on 10/08/2020 5:23:37 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: rintintin

I used to be a carpenter. I said in early May that this would happen.


9 posted on 10/08/2020 5:23:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (In all things ... trigger discipline.)
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To: \/\/ayne

Many survive paycheck to paycheck and/or by the daily routine that may provide necessary distractions and connections to others. And it doesn’t take much to trigger and financial or psychological meltdown.

Regrets regarding your colleague — a subject matter the Rats in media refuse to acknowledge.


10 posted on 10/08/2020 5:25:02 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Veggie Todd
Stanford. Really?

Not for long.

11 posted on 10/08/2020 5:28:41 PM PDT by Rio
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To: TigersEye

>> I used to be a carpenter.

There’s no such thing as a former carpenter unless... ;)


12 posted on 10/08/2020 5:31:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: rintintin

No kidding uh? Dayum, it’s not as if a slew of med pros( like yours truly-retired) didn’t tell the world back in March


13 posted on 10/08/2020 5:34:00 PM PDT by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Gene Eric
OK, you got me. Poor phrasing.

I used to work as a carpenter.

I am definitely still a carpenter.

14 posted on 10/08/2020 5:34:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (In all things ... trigger discipline.)
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To: Rio

He’s been saying this since April.


15 posted on 10/08/2020 5:37:41 PM PDT by cll (Serviam!)
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According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, 29% of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of catching the coronavirus.

I'm avoiding it because I don't want to participate in the hysterical overreaction to the coronavirus.

16 posted on 10/08/2020 5:46:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (In all things ... trigger discipline.)
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To: Rio

Stanford has had several professors/researchers saying very reasonable things about covid and the lockdown, including Dr. Scott Altas, Trump’s new covid advisor, and Prof. Jay Bhattacharya, one of the writers of the Great Barrington Declaration. As far as I know, they are still employed by Stanford.


17 posted on 10/08/2020 5:48:44 PM PDT by norcal joe
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To: rintintin

I’m glad they’re covering this.


18 posted on 10/08/2020 6:00:21 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: \/\/ayne

Oh so awful...but I can’t imagine that. You have to go to the store, you have other errands, there are usually neighbors. Why do you think your co-worker did this?


19 posted on 10/08/2020 6:10:22 PM PDT by Aria
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To: rintintin

The UK National Health service reported today that for April and May, “urgent” cancer diagnosis were down 57% (and still down 20+% in September) while “urgent” breast cancer diagnosis were down 30%.

Many more people will die of cancer because of “lock-downs.”


20 posted on 10/08/2020 6:10:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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