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Pentagon: China’s Military Has Begun To Surpass The United States’s
The Federalist ^ | 09/08/2020 | Sumantra Maitra

Posted on 09/08/2020 7:45:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: CodeToad

“China is land locked.”

No, it’s not: It has 9,000 miles of coastline.

“They have to rely on ocean travel to go attack anyone.”

No, they don’t. China has direct land access to: South Korea (via North Korea); Russia; Mongolia; the “’Stans” to the west; India; Nepal; Myanmar; Laos; Vietnam. But to attack anything to the east they’d need a hell of a lot of fleets.


21 posted on 09/08/2020 8:07:16 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: volunbeer

RE: . Also consider that Japan (no slouch economically) is increasing their defense spending and capability in response to the threat of China.

And don’t forget India, which is overtaking China population wise and is beefing up her military because of a border dispute with China that threatens to escalate if cooler heads do not prevail.

Then there’s Vietnam, which has a dispute with China for control over islands in the South China sea, which China has continually provoked. They had a war with China just 3 decades ago and anticipate another one.

And Australia is beefing up her military in suspicion of China as well after the Covid-19 crisis and China’s takeover of Hongkong.

Of course, Taiwan has always been prepared for a CCP invasion.


22 posted on 09/08/2020 8:17:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Based upon the comments I see FR still has plenty of China bootlickers.

Military folks who have been retired for 25 years who don’t know squat about the modern Chinese military.

Our own pentagon said China is 25 years ahead of us in AI weapons development and spends 30 times what we do in this area.


23 posted on 09/08/2020 8:17:45 AM PDT by setter
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To: SeekAndFind
if the United States is still bogged down elsewhere, China will concentrate its entire navy in Asia, dwarfing the combined might of the United States, Australia, India, and Japan.

This sounds like China's navy will be pinned down in Asia, facing a growing naval presence by India while Japan and South Korea wake up and re-arm. Meanwhile the US will continue to dominate the world's oceans.
24 posted on 09/08/2020 8:18:07 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Little Ray

> “Quantity has a Quality all of its own.” <

Yes, indeed. Hitler had the quality. Stalin had the quantity. Moscow never fell. But Berlin did.


25 posted on 09/08/2020 8:19:19 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Levy78

...............and, if an OOD (Officer of the Deck) ran one of the ChiCom’s beautiful new destroyers into a freighter, the OOD and the TOC and probably all officers on the ship would have been summarily shot.

I think the woman OOD and the woman TOC (Tactical Operations Commander) (on the US ship) in the Fitzgerald incident got “a letter of censure” put in their file. To our PC Navy’s way of thinking these days, or the Nancy Pelosi way, “a letter” in her file covered the 1.8 billion dollar Warship and the dead sailors.

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Jun 20, 2018 · Look it up: The OOD was Sarah Coppock, Tactical Action Officer was Natalie Combs. . . . When I noticed last year that they were doing all they could to keep the OOD’s name out of the headlines, I speculated to my son that it was a she. Turns out all the key people (except one officer in the CIC) were female!


26 posted on 09/08/2020 8:20:32 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas
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To: datura

“We need to stop feeding them, and maintain our advantages in order to deter them. The CCP will fail from within if we take away their economy.”

Very true.

In retrospect, one of the stupidest moves in recent history was welcoming China into the WTO.


27 posted on 09/08/2020 8:22:02 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have said it on several threads before, but I truly believe Trump will forge a real military alliance with teeth in Asia in his second term.

In one fell stroke he may counter China’s militaristic behavior even as he continues to withdraw the US from China’s economy.


28 posted on 09/08/2020 8:24:43 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: Little Ray

Seriously. You really think the soviet union’s numbers over quality was a good/winning strategy? Please explain.


29 posted on 09/08/2020 8:28:18 AM PDT by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: Cen-Tejas

...............and, if an OOD (Officer of the Deck) ran one of the ChiCom’s beautiful new destroyers into a freighter, the OOD and the TOC and probably all officers on the ship would have been summarily shot.

I think the woman OOD and the woman TOC (Tactical Operations Commander) (on the US ship) in the Fitzgerald incident got “a letter of censure” put in their file. To our PC Navy’s way of thinking these days, or the Nancy Pelosi way, “a letter” in her file covered the 1.8 billion dollar Warship and the dead sailors.

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Jun 20, 2018 · Look it up: The OOD was Sarah Coppock, Tactical Action Officer was Natalie Combs. . . . When I noticed last year that they were doing all they could to keep the OOD’s name out of the headlines, I speculated to my son that it was a she. Turns out all the key people (except one officer in the CIC) were female!


wow! I didn’t know they were females... pathetic what our military has become.


30 posted on 09/08/2020 8:32:03 AM PDT by Levy78
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To: fatman6502002

Because it worked.
The USSR destroyed most of the Wehrmacht and reached Berlin before we got anywhere close.
They took huge casualties doing so, but so what?


31 posted on 09/08/2020 8:32:07 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security! (Ironic, huh?))
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To: Leaning Right

“Hitler had the quality. Stalin had the quantity. Moscow never fell. But Berlin did.”

That’s because the paper-hanging corporal thought Germany was invincible, and greatly over-extended. Hitler’s biggest mistake in WWII was attacking the Soviet Union when he did; had he kept the pressure on Britain he likely would have only had to face a one-front war later against USSR, as Britain would probably have sought terms. Hell, the outnumbered Finns bloodied the Soviets quite effectively. Hitler’s generals advised against invading the USSR in 1941, especially in June, 1941; they projected 1943 at the earliest.


32 posted on 09/08/2020 8:32:10 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Leaning Right

Here’s the Pentagon Report the author is referencing

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Sep/01/2002488689/-1/-1/1/2020-DOD-CHINA-MILITARY-POWER-REPORT-FINAL.PDF


33 posted on 09/08/2020 8:34:24 AM PDT by caww
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To: setter

If you believe that, you’re an idiot. Those of us whom have served know all the little tricks the military industrial establishment use, including the exaggerated claims of our enemies competence and the incredible quality of their actually crap military hardware. Go back to the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, etc...etc... And you’ll find the same pattern of US military leaders claiming our enemy’s military is so much more advanced and capable as the US military. It was not true then and it’s not true now. The Gens and Admrls just want more money to spend as that translates to more money to retire with. Also remember the flag officers are almost all Obama appointees, not only should they not be listened too, they should all be fired by the President as they’re not to be trusted ever.


34 posted on 09/08/2020 8:38:26 AM PDT by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: fatman6502002
If you believe this agit-prop, you’re an idiot....just one of the little tricks the military industrial establishment uses:
(A) the exaggerated claims of our enemies competence and (B) touting the incredible quality of the enemies' crap military hardware.

Not if Biden gets elected.

Hunter Biden's business partnership w/ a Chinese investment firm funded by the Chinese Communist government started acquiring companies beneficial to the Chinese military..... they invested in China General Nuclear, records, financial documents, legal briefings, and court papers.” which ended up being charged by our FBI for stealing US nuclear secrets then ended up buying part of an American duel use technology company, meaning it produces technology that has civilian and military applications.......buying that for the benefit of the Chinese military.”

The Biden Relationship with China ‘Has Very Real National Security Implications.’
Hunter Biden’s deals ‘served’ China and the Chinese military, while Joe Biden was Obama's VP.

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The entire Biden family was involved in undermining the safety and security of Americans while Joe Biden was Obama's VP.
<><> Joe’s brother, James Biden, freely revealed his associations to the NYT; James talked without fear.
<><> indicates that the Biden family had protection from a VERY HIGH SOURCE.........

BACKSTORY In December 2016, the FBI busted a China General nuclear engineer, Szuhsiung “Allen” Ho, for conspiring to help China illegally obtain “sensitive nuclear technology” from within the US.........

After Chi Ping Ho got nailed, an executive with CEFC China Energy Co., was busted by the FBI in 2017 for bribing officials in Africa, ........“one of the CEFC China Energy Co.’s exec first calls” was to James Biden, Joe Biden’s brother.

Last year, James Biden told The New York Times....(without fear)......that he believed China Energy Co.’s exec(later convicted) had been trying to reach Hunter and that, he, James Biden, provided his nephew’s contact information.

35 posted on 09/08/2020 8:41:57 AM PDT by Liz
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To: ought-six

Hitler made the same mistake Napoleon made. H tried to fight a two front war. Also Hitler had not the natural resources germany needed to fight a war on that scale. Hitler was not a genius of any kind, he was simply a murderous POS that was able to take advantage of the typical eurotrash belief in appeasement.


36 posted on 09/08/2020 8:42:57 AM PDT by fatman6502002 ((The Team The Team The Team - Bo Schembechler circa 1969))
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To: fatman6502002
The Chinese strategy of numbers over quality was the exact same strategy the soviet union used, how well did that work out for the commies.
Exactly, Fatman. Perhaps the Chinese will pull ahead of the West in terms of numbers, but they're still Chinese. Their hardware is made with stolen innovation, shoddy materials, little or no quality control, etc. And it'll be manned by Chinese soldiers and sailors, essentially insects in human form.
37 posted on 09/08/2020 8:43:12 AM PDT by Blurb2350
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To: Leaning Right
1. This is a cynical ploy by the Pentagon to get an increase in their funding.
2. This is a genuine warning that must be heeded.

This articel is so full of lies that I assumed the reason is item 1.

38 posted on 09/08/2020 8:44:03 AM PDT by Spirochete
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To: fatman6502002

“Quantity has a quality all its own.” - Joseph Stalin


39 posted on 09/08/2020 8:44:14 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ought-six

The quantity over quality thing played a big part in the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany. The Soviets were mass-producing thousands of T-34 tanks while the Germans were fussing around with their over-engineered Tiger tank.

But yes, you are correct about the leadership thing. Hitler interfered with his generals more and more as the war went in. On the other hand, Stalin wised up and let his generals run most things.


40 posted on 09/08/2020 8:44:49 AM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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