Posted on 09/01/2020 10:33:01 AM PDT by yoe
Testing, testing, testing -- that's how Pelosi and the Democrats say we'll defeat the coronavirus. Meanwhile, President Trump and his administration are conducting "operation warp speed" at breakneck pace to develop therapeutics, diagnostics, and a vaccine for the Wuhan flu. Unlike testing, treatments will actually do something for you when you come down sick with the disease. But now we're learning the overwhelming majority of those who have tested positive for the coronavirus should really have been found negative after all.
According to (The New York Times), potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems.
[snip] It helps to understand The Times' religious devotion to testing if one understands that Democrats have long-since committed to taking the polar opposite position of whatever President Trump believes. It's a symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome. If Trump is hopeful about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, then Democrats believe the drug will kill you. If Trump believes we should focus less on testing and more on treatments, Democrats and the media will insist we do nothing but testing and forget about treatments altogether.
Glad to see all of this coming out before the election. But ... the lefties will try to pin it all on Trump.
13 posted on 9/1/2020, 11:13:23 AM by 2aProtectsTheRest (The media is banging the fear drum enough. Don't help them do it.)
If people really do have “ fragments” of covid and it is actually covid ( not another coronavirus) then the good news is that activated immunity is defeating the virus and not allowing it to develop into serious illness
Couple that with people that dont get infected at all despite exposure ( Invisible immunity) plus people that develop covid and get antibodies
Voila- the combination if it reaches over 60% of population = HIT
Not in California where county health officials throughout the state are reporting the cases are “significantly undercounted” and, according to Tyrant Newsom’s new color-coding scheme The Virus is “widespread” throughout the state including many rural counties.
And do you know what that is? That's a bad flu. It's not the plague, people aren't dropping dead on the street and families aren't typically wiped out. The same people are dying from this bad flu that normally die from the flu.
second worst in US history = bad flu
I dunno, his shrill tone, hyperzealous focus on one issue, and cliche screen name have almost won me over.
No, it doesn't.
"It's not the plague, people aren't dropping dead on the street and families aren't typically wiped out."
Completely agree with you here. The media and the Democrats have made it out to be FAR worse than it actually is. I'm for dealing with the reality; not a sugar-coated version you sometimes see here and not the end-of-the-world version the media and Democrats claim it is. It's not worth shutting down the economy and killing businesses as is happening now, but it IS worth a serious response and basic steps to slow it down until we can beat it completely. There's a REASON President Trump has poured billions of dollars over the course of the past several months into vaccine research. There's a REASON President Trump has continued talking about vaccines as the end game. That's how we END all the shutdowns, the masks, and all the rest.
2aProtectsTheRest wrote: “People who have diabetes, hypertension, etc. live for DECADES with those conditions. Everyone will eventually die from something. The point is that 180,000+ people in the US have died THIS YEAR because of COVID-19. The excess mortality figures show that much.”
The median age of those dying from Covid19 is 79 years. How are those going to live for ‘DECADES’?
Median means half the people dying from it at younger than 79. Someone who’s 70 can absolutely live to 80 or even 90 in today’s society. They are not disposable.
No, 180,000 people in the US have died with COVID, not because of COVID. Failing an audit of recorded deaths, the best estimate of those who have died because of COVID would be 40-50,000, those who have died with COVID and pneumonia, as reported by the CDC.
You can make up whatever lowball number you choose and pretend it’s real. I’m going to stick with the preliminary estimates that are based on the medical doctors whose licenses and careers are on the line if they intentionally falsify paperwork, and who are using their best judgement as medical doctors with years or decades of experience to establish what caused an individual’s death.
There is no evidence for this speculation.
What speculation? Specifically from the article.
No. There's a big difference between testing positive with no symptoms, and having symptoms of the disease bad enough to kill you.
Which is not a very significant fact. Just because you also have some other condition does not mean you don't die from COVID19.
Really? You are now taking a study done by the New York Times as being a credible scientific study?
How can any rational person accept The NY Times which has a proven history of propaganda, fictitious writing, outright lies as now being credible?.
You gotta admit the report passes the smell test.
I am using the actual numbers of those who have died with both COVID and pneumonia as provided by the CDC. The number of 180,000, as stated by the CDC, is that of those who have died and also tested positive for COVID. The CDC does not make any claim that they died because of CDC.
To say that all, or even most, of those died because of COVID, when the vast majority of those with the virus have mild or no symptoms, is grossly overstating the case. It has been shown that this number includes those who died because of auto accidents and suicide but who also tested positive for the virus.
The number of those who died with COVID and pneumonia is a better indication of the true number of COVID deaths since pneumonia is the major symptom causing death by the disease; remember all those ventilators? But the truth is that, lacking an audit of the actual causes of deaths, no one knows what the true number of those who died because of COVID rather than just with the COVID. The 180,000 number is just as unrealistic as the more extreme low estimates.
Why are you putting words into my mouth?
This is a simple question, about an issue, not a source. I ask out of honest curiosity.
What speculation, specifically from the article by Townhall or the NYT, has you concerned?
Nephew contracted the virus back in March and was sick for two weeks..............
He's been tested at least six times since then and every time it comes back positive...He has access to the testing because he's a surgeon in a local hospital.
When are you all going to look at this???!!!
I have been publishing this since May!!!
The widespread diagnostic test for the virus in a patient, the PCR, is riddled with irreparable flaws. It spits out false-positives, because the test reacts to the presence of irrelevant germs that have nothing to do with a purported COVID.
Most importantly the test has never been vetted, in the real world, for its claimed ability to detect whether a patient is ill or is going to become ill.
According to the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel https://bit.ly/2L8NV9I
“Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.
Negative results do not preclude 2019-nCoV infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or other patient management decisions.”
Translation: A positive test doesn’t guarantee that the COVID virus is causing infection at all. Then again, maybe the COVID virus is not be in the patient’s body either.
From the World Health Organization (WHO): “Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) technical guidance: Laboratory testing for 2019-nCoV in humans” https://bit.ly/3cidWiS
“Several assays that detect the 2019-nCoV have been and are currently under development, both in-house and commercially. Some assays may detect only the novel virus [COVID] and some may also detect other strains (e.g. SARS-CoV) that are genetically similar.”
Translation: Some PCR tests register positive for types of coronavirus that have nothing to do with COVID—including plain old coronas that cause nothing more than a cold.
As far as the “assays that detect the 2019-nCOV that are currently under development. Yeah, just a few.
For a test that is supposed to be so definitive and accurate, there sure are a great many firms in development of testing for the diagnosis of COVID-19
In May there were 633 firms in the diagnostic pipeline. There are now, in fact, 794 firms in process of creating https://bit.ly/3clw4Za
If the testing on this is so definitive, why are 794 companies still developing testing for it?
Possibly because they still have not effectively isolated the virus and still don’t know what exactly it is that they are looking for.
Or could it be that it is extremely difficult to detect this SARS-CoV-2 virus because it is easily defeated by the immune system? (Note: SARS-CoV-2 virus. Hmmm…thought this was something so novel we have not seen it before? When then is it so similar to the SARS virus that it is called SARS-CoV-2 then? That would indicate that it is similar in nature to a virus we are well aware of so similar to a known virus that it is labeled as -2.
Gee, maybe not so novel after all huh? No more novel than any other mutated SARS virus which is quite common with RNA viruses like this SARS-CoV-2 virus btw. All RNA viruses mutate regularly which is why these virus vaccines are so ineffective, their target changes so quickly.
Or possibly that it is so immensely difficult to test an individual for a specific virus when the samples are always contaminated with all kinds of germs including bacteria, other viral strains and other DNA/RNA bearing tissues?
But what do the manufacturers say about the COVID diagnostic test? How about this gem from Creative Diagnostics, a popular test manufacturer:
This product is intended for the detection of 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The detection result of this product is only for clinical reference, and it should not be used as the only evidence for clinical diagnosis and treatment. https://bit.ly/2KnJ4kP
In other words: Don’t use the test result alone to diagnose infection or disease.
Pretty confident about their testing huh?
Perhaps that is why the CDC includes “probable cases” in their statistical counts:
What is a COVID-19 probable case?
A probable case or death is defined by
Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19; or
Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence; or Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19. https://bit.ly/3bdziMV
Translation: You don’t even have to have “confirmatory laboratory testing performed” in order for the case to be considered a COVID-19 case.
I guess that could be helpful to the hospitals who have had their cash cows of elective surgery eliminated (80% of many hospitals incomes) and are losing money now.
They could just drop a medicare patient into the “probable COVID-19 category” and go from a standard Medicare admit of $4,600 to a COVID admit billable for $13,000 now. About a 3X billable increase.
And heck, if they can get them on a ventilator with a COVID diagnosis, the Medicare admit jumps to $39,000, over an 8-fold increase!
I guess its a conspiracy theory to imagine that hospitals losing money due to the contraction of their scheduled surgery income would begin to amazingly turn up more COVID cases and put some of these people with respiratory issues on ventilators as well.
Yeah…might not have anything to do with increasing revenues I guess since we know that ALL hospitals and doctors operate with full integrity and complete concern for ALL patients.
LuNatics!!!
Why do I have to do all the work on this??!!?!
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