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New Election Ordered By Judge After Mail-In Voting Debacle, Trump Weighs In
The Federalist Papers ^ | August 21, 2020 | Carmine Sabia Jr.

Posted on 08/22/2020 5:37:27 AM PDT by gattaca

Democrats have been insisting that voting by mail is perfectly safe and will not present any issues for the upcoming November presidential election.

But a case in Paterson, NJ, one small city in one small state, has shown what a catastrophe voting by mail could, and likely will, be for the entire nation, The Hill reported.

New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal (D) charged four people, including a city councilman and councilman-elect, in Paterson last week with criminal conduct involving mail-in ballots. The discovery of hundreds of mail-in ballots in a Paterson mailbox sparked the investigation, CNN reported.

Keep in mind this is one town in one state. Imagine the chaos that would reign nationwide as city and town after city and town faced this scrutiny.

How would a winner in the presidential election be declared if either candidate cannot trust the validity of the votes?

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Although the Passaic County Board of Elections has disqualified 3,190 mail-in ballots, or 19 percent, from the election, it did not determine they were all fraudulent. The board determined about 800 were improperly bundled in mailboxes and disqualified another 2,300 after checking signatures on the ballots against those on file, the Paterson Press reported.

“Today’s charges send a clear message: if you try to tamper with an election in New Jersey, we will find you and we will hold you accountable,” Attorney General Grewal said in June.

“We will not allow a small number of criminals to undermine the public’s confidence in our democratic process,” said.

“The residents of New Jersey have a right to free and fair elections, and we will ensure that happens,” OPIA Director Thomas Eicher said.

“Our office’s criminal investigations complement a number of other safeguards that New Jersey has implemented to ensure the integrity of our elections,” he said.

The election has gained national attention as even President Donald Trump has commented on it as an example of how corrupt mail in voting can be.

“The 2020 Election will be totally rigged if Mail-In Voting is allowed to take place, & everyone knows it,” he said.

“So much time is taken talking about foreign influence, but the same people won’t even discuss Mail-In election corruption. Look at Patterson, N.J. 20% of vote was corrupted!” he said.

The president’s campaign is suing Gov. Murphy over the hybrid voting model he intends to use for the state in November.

“The President’s campaign is putting itself on record as wanting to delegitimize our November election instead of working with us to ensure that voters rights are upheld alongside public health,” the governor said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: nj; paterson
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To: jeffc

When and where would that be?

I’m old enough to have voted for Reagan and have never re-registered.


21 posted on 08/22/2020 6:17:44 AM PDT by cyclotic (The most dangerous people are the ones that feel the most helpless)
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To: Ikeon

If enough states fail to certify electors (college) to get to 270 by december 5th, then the election goes tot house. One vote per state for candidates only. no pelosi. Republicans are majority in 26 states to 23 and one split.


22 posted on 08/22/2020 6:22:00 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: Ikeon

If enough states fail to certify electors (college) to get to 270 by december 5th, then the election goes tot house. One vote per state for candidates only. no pelosi. Republicans are majority in 26 states to 23 and one split.


23 posted on 08/22/2020 6:22:26 AM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (spooks won on day 76)
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To: abbastanza
"Where are the GOPee Congress and Senate. Why haven’t we heard a peep out of them?"

90% of them are enemy swampers, would be OK with O-Hole being elected a third term if possible. Useless losers.

24 posted on 08/22/2020 6:28:32 AM PDT by Lockbar (Vlad the Impailer had all the answers.)
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To: gattaca; All

Do not forget......Judicial Watch sued LA County to purge 1.5 MILLION FRAUDULENT OR INACTIVE REGISTRATIONS. A judge ordered that they be purged......there is NO EVIDENCE that has been done. And California IS sending a ballot to EVERYONE ON THEIR VOTER ROLLS THIS ELECTION. So, that is already 1.5 million fakes votes for Biden.

By any means necessary.......


25 posted on 08/22/2020 6:33:52 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell..?)
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To: gattaca

AND I believe I read a story where some Antifa jerk was saying’ why do we need to know who won on Election Night?’

They WANT another Election 2000.


26 posted on 08/22/2020 6:38:36 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell..?)
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To: jeffc

After being gone fron NYS for almost 20 years, I am just as likely to be on their rolls as off.


27 posted on 08/22/2020 6:40:17 AM PDT by MortMan (Shouldn't "palindrome" read the same forward and backward?)
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To: jeffc

After being gone fron NYS for almost 20 years, I am just as likely to be on their rolls as off.

Update - I went and looked. I am no longer registered in NYS. Phew - I might have been guilty of voting dem!


28 posted on 08/22/2020 6:44:02 AM PDT by MortMan (Shouldn't "palindrome" read the same forward and backward?)
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To: gattaca

Mail in voting is designed for voter fraud and is absolutely why democrats demand its use.

JoMa


29 posted on 08/22/2020 6:46:36 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: joma89
I really get POed when the media conflate the issue of absentee voting with mail voting. They do it purposefully too. The other evening, there was a whole piece done about Trump using “mail in voting” for a Florida primary.
30 posted on 08/22/2020 6:53:03 AM PDT by Mouton (The media is the enemy of the people.)
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To: gattaca

with the absentee ballot request, is there really standing on the part of mail in votes... they can already vote through the mail?


31 posted on 08/22/2020 6:54:00 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world)
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To: Ikeon
If nothing is decided by a certain date then power of the presidency would be transferred to Pelosi I believe.... I suspect there would be some limitations though I don't know for certain.
32 posted on 08/22/2020 7:15:39 AM PDT by caww ( Trump - the most pro-life president in History !)
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To: GailA

Oh we can count on that....Michelle Obana gave every indication things will get worse if they don’t win.


33 posted on 08/22/2020 7:18:46 AM PDT by caww ( Trump - the most pro-life president in History !)
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To: VTenigma
“Today’s charges send a clear message: if you try to tamper with an election in New Jersey, we will find you and we will hold you accountable,”

Despite numerous stories like this coming out every week, NPR, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. all are saying that PDJT's claims (that massive mail-in voting can lead to massive fraud) are totally UNFOUNDED! I just heard this propaganda lie during the news break on the local radio channel.

These news purveyors are shameless liars, but they are allowed to spew their calumny hourly.

34 posted on 08/22/2020 7:23:26 AM PDT by Thommas
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To: Ikeon
Lets say trump wins in November. The Biden team challenges all the write-in ballots. Who’s president in January?
Or what if Biden wins and they find mail-in votes were improperly mailed? Whos president until it gets investigated?

Some have said it's Nancy, as the next in line after POTUS and VP. Others say no, it's up to the House to vote and determine, with each state getting one vote each.

I have problems with both scenarios since House members' terms are up at the same time, and they are on the same ballot as Biden and Trump (along with 1/3 of the Senate). Do any of them still have jobs?

Nancy's term as speaker is up, too, is she still the Speaker of the House? House members, who may not even still be House members, are supposed to vote on who the Speaker should be...

Dems will say Nancy should stay as Speaker until this is straightened out, but if she gets to keep her job, why shouldn't Trump?

What a mess...

35 posted on 08/22/2020 7:28:55 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: Feckless

How would a winner in the presidential election be declared if either candidate cannot trust the validity of the votes?

How can you walk down the street at night or day now with no police??

How can people trust a system where criminals are intentionally set free?

How can any witness from a trial be confident they can be protected if the perp???

How can a business be safe if there are no safeguards???

This is one of the main roots of our problems, the Dems, Liberals, Marxists, Communists, whatever you want to call them do not want the main citizenry protected. They are not for the people.


36 posted on 08/22/2020 7:31:58 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

37 posted on 08/22/2020 7:36:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Ikeon

Constitutionally, if by January 1, 2021 a president has not been declared, the Speaker of the House of Representatives will assume the Presidency until a President can be declared. It may require a new election. This is the DC Establishment/ Democrats plan to displace Trump from the WH. A President Pelosi can do much damage until another election can be done.


38 posted on 08/22/2020 7:46:52 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: gattaca

What happens when signatures on ballots don’t match the registration ballot? States that have had a long start-up period use computers to flag probable mismatches. Then it goes to 2 election judges, one from each party. They then separate ballots into 3 categories:

1. Probably not legitimate. (e.g., signed “Mickey Mouse”).
2. Probably legitimate (signatures seem substantially similar)
3. Unresolved ( remember, the ballots have the person’s legal name ON THE BALLOT sleeve. So this is about variance in style).

Standards are, obviously, full of subjectivity, this isn’t done in a few hours, or a few days, or in close races, even a few weeks. If you’re a lawyer with expertise in election law, you’re going to make a lot of money very soon. Lots of close racers are going to go to the Courts.


39 posted on 08/22/2020 7:57:54 AM PDT by cookcounty (Susan Rice: G Gordon Liddy times 10.)
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To: cyclotic

Cyclotic, many states and jurisdictions drop registrations if a person repeatedly fails to vote.

Except in many Democrat-run States and counties.

For reasons.

Remember just last year, LA County spent truckloads of money to fight in court tge purging of the voter rolls, which contained registrations amounting to 110% of the adult population of the county.


40 posted on 08/22/2020 8:06:26 AM PDT by cookcounty (Susan Rice: G Gordon Liddy times 10.)
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