Posted on 08/18/2020 8:21:05 AM PDT by george76
> A PhD or Doctorate usually requires a B or A to pass, but not in the medical schools. <
But many PhD and Doctorate classes award only B’s or A’s. I had to take a PhD class in education once when I was in college (not my choice, long story).
The grade distributions were posted on a bulletin board. On each test - midterm and final - there was only one C. Everybody else got either an A or a B. And trust me, this was not a class of geniuses.
I guess the C student didn’t show up to take the tests. Or maybe he did show up but immediately fell asleep.
Roger Kneebone, (no pun intended - Ed) professor of surgical education at Imperial College, London, says young people have so little experience of craft skills that they struggle with anything practical.
"It is important and an increasingly urgent issue," says Prof Kneebone, who warns medical students might have high academic grades but cannot cut or sew.
"It is a concern of mine and my scientific colleagues that whereas in the past you could make the assumption that students would leave school able to do certain practical things - cutting things out, making things - that is no longer the case," says Prof Kneebone. Stitched up
The professor, who teaches surgery to medical students, says young people need to have a more rounded education, including creative and artistic subjects, where they learn to use their hands.
Do smartphones really affect surgeons' skills?
Prof Kneebone says he has seen a decline in the manual dexterity of students over the past decade - which he says is a problem for surgeons, who need craftsmanship as well as academic knowledge.
"An obvious example is of a surgeon needing some dexterity and skill in sewing or stitching," he says.
"A lot of things are reduced to swiping on a two-dimensional flat screen," he says, which he argues takes away the experience of handling materials and developing physical skills. Students have become "less competent and less confident" in using their hands, he says.
"We have students who have very high exam grades but lack tactile general knowledge," says the professor.
Jethro Bowdeen
If they don’t scrap exit requirements then this is theft because they’re taking money from students who have no hope of graduating. If they lower exit requirements they will see the medical school lose its accreditation.
Not a good move anyway you slice it.
Stanford Medical School will become the Howard University Medical School of the west in a few years.
When getting a new doctor, always look up the credentials.
“The faculty felt that, this year in particular, that the additional obstacles that the GRE presents due to COVID...combined with the other reasons for being skeptical about the usefulness of the GRE warranted removing the GRE as a requirement for this year’s applicants, to be revisited later,” Hartnoll said.
Looks like they were looking for an excuse to remove the test all along to allow more unqualified “minorities” to qualify. And they’re using the China flu as a convenient excuse to do so.
Because certain specially-privileged minorities won’t pass the test, and so the test is eliminated. Only way to protect ourselves is to NOT go to doctors who got there by affirmative action.
Do you want a “doctor” who sqeaked by with minimal knowledge to do your heart operation?
If all standards of any kind are all racist, then why wouldn’t some people start to conclude other groups are inferior?
It is usually put as “50% of physicians graduate in the lower half of their class”
They say they want to eliminate racism, but they promote it by these actions. Do you want to be treated by a POC doctor you suspect is a beneficiary of affirmative action?
Without question, grade inflation is real. I’ve seen students get an A on a C paper just for turning some crap in on time.
UNC is dropping the SAT for entrance.
Supposedly temporarily, but I doubt that.
About 9 or 10 years ago, a family friend was graduating and I attended the graduation ceremony for medical professionals (I won’t call them doctors) at our local university. I was astounded when the class valedictorian was presented. The introduction went something like, “With a grade-point index of 2.3, I’d like to present our valedictorian, Mr. ...”.
What were the grades of the others?
I don’t want someone performing medical procedures on me if they can only get a 2.3 grade. What was the lowest passing grade? Talk about lowering of standards.
I’m a doctor, he’s a doctor, she’s a doctor, you can be a doctor too.
"Don't worry, 'Scro!"
Will their Degree Certificate have a large ASTERISK???
The dumbing down of America continues its deadly work.
That's entirely bogus in its inference. Traditionally, by the time you get into medical school you've earned a ton of As in classes - including chemistry/organic chemistry/P-chem, Physics, biology, physiology etc. In many if not most of those classes, those who went on to medical school outscored those heading to graduate school.
Medical schools themselves don't all grade students, but they are required to ensure that students perform to a level acceptable for becoming a physician. Plus, it is a requirement that medical students pass medical boards I, II, and III before becoming licensed (usually completed before starting residency).
All that be as it may, I absolutely do NOT agree with doing away with the MCAT. The MCAT has been the single most accurate predictor of performance in medical school. They've mucked with it over the years, so I don't know how good it is now, but I think it's a big mistake to do away with it. The MCAT also allows those applicants, who don't come from wealthy families and who didn't go to prep schools and expensive universities, to prove themselves in head-to-head competition against those who have a pedigree.
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