Posted on 08/08/2020 9:52:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The battle over hydroxychloroquine began as a kind of trivial but apparently earnest and hopeful celebrity endorsement of the drug (the celebrity being President Trump). It has devolved into a real political and public-discourse horror show.
Perpetual back-and-forths between those prominent doctors who do not believe in the drugs effectiveness coronavirus task force members Anthony Fauci and Brett Giroir are two and dissident, lesser-known doctors, such as Harvey Risch of Yale University, have given birth to serious questions about how truly scientific the whole conversation has been.
Can hydroxychloroquine be used effectively to treat COVID-19? The most prominent voices say no, citing several randomized controlled trials, but others say it is, citing their own clinical evidence.
The question that nobody seems to be asking is, what is the standard of evidence required for granting emergency use authorizations, or EUAs, for drugs in the first place? And what are the limits of various kinds of clinical trials?
The Food and Drug Administration approved an EUA for use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in hospitalized patients on March 28. Importantly, for the purpose of reinforcing distinct categories, its authorization was for a targeted use: hospitalized patients. When the FDA authorized the drug, there was no significant evidence of effectiveness from randomized controlled trials, or RCTs.
In a March 28 letter on authorization, FDA Chief Scientist Denise Hinton wrote, Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal clinical data in case series, chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in several countries
FDA is issuing this EUA to facilitate the availability of chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate during the COVID-19 pandemic to treat patients for whom a clinical trial is not available, or participation is not feasible.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...
Not really.
Sure, there is Trump hate and they are working to try to defeat him and his economy.
But he has expressly said that it is because he said it is good, without acknowledging at all the larger mRNA forced vaccine and country takeover that is being advanced.
Or his own ongoing role in allowing that to happen.
“””You were on a ship with Fauci and there is a man overboard who cannot swim. There is no life saver available but there is a wooden table nearby. You dont know whether it will float but you think its worth a try and attempt to throw it overboard.
That is when Fauci comes and stops you and scolds you that the table has not been subject to proper testing protocols and could be dangerous to the man overboard if it sinks.
Choice 1: You thank Fauci for almost causing the man harm and make Fauci your hero.
Choice 2: You throw the table anyways.”””
Choice 3: Throw the table overboard. Punch Little Napolean Fauci in the face. Wait a couple of minutes and then throw Fauci overboard so he will not be able to swim back to the table.
mebbe because Pharma runs the FDA...and they’re pissed they haven’t been able to get a piece of the action
simple solution is NOT to let the drug companies run the FDA....duh!!
Exactly. ! The JURY IS NOT OUT. NO MORE STUPID STUDies !
actually can we just BAN democrats????? And the media ?
Lets just MUZZLE them. Or a Far far away tropical island
“””Fauci is a federal bureaucrat who hasnt seen a patient in more than 30 years. He is a poster boy for DC corruption.
Giroir is a bureaucrat Admiral in the public health venue. His background was mixed in vaccine development, he was forced out of his vaccine development job in Texas. He quoted the VA study on HCQ now known to be fraudulent. Hes hardly a prominent anything to weigh in on HCQ.”””
Fauci and Girior have never seen a patient. Both are career medical bureaucrats. It is easy for them to be callous when they have never looked a sick person in the eyes and told them bad news.
On the other hand we have many, many Front Line Doctors who do look a person in the eyes and tell them they have covid and HCQ may help.
RE: he recommends zinc and querceitn, which is available in local health food stores. He says the querceitn is just as effective without any of the side effects.
Thanks for the information.
What is the good doctor’s recommended daily dosage for both Quercetin and Zinc for an uninfected person to get protection?
IIRC Fauci did his residency in NYC—and then went into the bureaucracy.
If he swims like he throws a baseball they’ll both be in Davey Jones Locker.
Many countries either adopted or declined early treatment with HCQ, forming a large country-randomized controlled trial with 2.0 billion people in the treatment group and 663 million in the control group. As of August 8, 2020, an average of 39.6/million in the treatment group have died, and 443.7/million in the control group, relative risk 0.089. After adjustments, treatment and control deaths become 82.0/million and 637.0/million, relative risk 0.13. Confounding factors affect this estimate, including varying degrees of spread between countries. Accounting for predicted changes in spread, we estimate a relative risk of 0.21. The treatment group has a 79.1% lower death rate. We examined diabetes, obesity, hypertension, life expectancy, population density, urbanization, testing level, and intervention level, which do not account for the effect observed.
https://hcqtrial.com/plot/plot1ax.svg
Oh it works OK!!!! Almost 80% lower death rate whne used early
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3871057/posts
Mrs. Don-o posted this a couple of days ago. Sorry that the link is not formatted - I cant easily do this on my iPad.
“””IIRC Fauci did his residency in NYCand then went into the bureaucracy.”””
Ok, I will grant that Fauci and Girior did see patients during their internship/residency.
its already come out why they turned on it
if hcq was declared a treatment for covid, they would not be allowed to fast track other drugs and vaccines for review and approval
they could do it through the normal track, which takes a long time and lots of money
but not skip safety stuff and more dara and longer term review, to fast track any of them
and gates owns major portions of pharma companies working with fast track drugs they couldn’t do that under normal circumstances
fauci has been promoting remdesivir, that has fast track status because hcq has been denigrated personally by him, made by gilead - no less that china started mass producing gilead’s remdesivir, partnering with gilead thrug ccp company wuxi app tec, of which george soros is an owner.
get the quercertin with bromelain, or take bromelain with it
it helps the quercertin being absorbed more/working better
The prominent ones they mention are government employees who don’t treat patients. That is two strikes against them.
Wow that math is pure D BS. You’re taking ENTIRE populations of countries as test groups?! That’s just laughable. Congratulations for proving beyond all doubt that indeed: there are lies
there are damned lies
and there are statistics
Were still talking about it because the drug might actually work (probably does work) which would tend to allow the re-opening of the American economy before 11/3/20. The Democrats simply cant allow that to happen.
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Totally true; indeed, hydroxys life saving efficacy is exactly why the DemonShits and their media accomplices so hate the hydroxy treatments. They desperately crave to do anything that will stop Trump. The COVID hysteria is the ideal thing because its shut down the great Trump rallies. Now, enter hydroxy, and theres an effective, safe, cheap treatment for the disease that will make it no different than any other treatable disease, like flu, that can, and does, occasionally kill some people, but thats no modern version of the Black Death. POOF! there goes all the justification for the lockdowns and other petty tyrannies that weve been harassed by, we can return to normal, the economy will start booming, and the Trump rallies will resume. IOW a total disaster for the DemonShits that theyll do anything to prevent, including killing thousands of the most vulnerable Americans.
RE: he recommends zinc and querceitn, which is available in local health food stores. He says the querceitn is just as effective without any of the side effects.
Thanks for the information.
What is the good doctor’s recommended daily dosage for both Quercetin and Zinc for an uninfected person to get protection?
“If we can save one life, then wearing a mask in the supermarket for an hour or so has got to be entirely worth it.”
“If we can save one life, then use of prophylactic hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + zincm has got to be entirely worth it.”
Thanks for the information. My main desire is to know what the DAILY dosage of Quercetin, Bromelain and Zinc should be ( i.e., how many mg.? ).
Thanks very much for the link to Mrs. Don-o’s post, that was the information that I needed (referring to Dr. Zelenko’s protocol).
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