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It's Too Late To Stop China's Military Catch-Up With America
https://nationalinterest.org ^ | August 1, 2020 | by Robert Farley

Posted on 08/01/2020 10:57:46 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19

Edited on 08/01/2020 3:39:56 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Here's What You Need To Remember: The United States has become increasingly aggressive about slowing down or halting China’s industrial espionage efforts. This has included indictments of PLA officers, broad condemnations of Chinese spying, and targeted reprisals against some Chinese firms. But given the extensive commercial contacts between China and the United States, stopping the flow of technology is virtually impossible.

As the People’s Republic of China (PRC) emerged from war and revolution in 1949, it became apparent that the Chinese economy lacked the capacity to compete with the U.S. or the U.S.S.R. in the production of advanced military technology. Transfers from the Soviet Union helped remedy the gap in the 1950s, as did transfers from the United States and Europe in the 1970s and 1980s. Still, the Cultural Revolution stifled technology and scientific research, leaving the Chinese even farther behind.

Thus, China has long supplemented legitimate transfers and domestic innovation with industrial espionage. In short, the PRC has a well-established habit of pilfering weapons technology from Russia and the United States. As the years have gone by, Beijing’s spies have become ever more skillful and flexible in their approach. Here are five systems that the Chinese have stolen or copied, in whole or in part:


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ccp; chatforum; fud; internal; military; redchina; ww3
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To: RomanSoldier19

HA! China is on a downward economic spiral not likely to stop anytime soon. They couldn’t even win a border skirmish with India for God’s sake.


21 posted on 08/01/2020 11:45:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Mariner

Yup, I do know about that. But they can *detect* spoofing attempts and try to localize the spoofing transmitter. They were unable to do so in a timely fashion - it was posted to FR not long ago. I don’t have time to go dig it back up as I’m at work currently, but it’s been discussed here before.

Eventually, a team figured out likely sources some weeks later, IIRC.


22 posted on 08/01/2020 11:47:36 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

China’s military surpassed the U.S. back during the late Obama period. Analysts now say China would defeat the U.S. if there was a war.

China has missile supremacy in the Western Pacific / Asia and now has an “overwhelming advantage” over the U.S. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/05/09/asia-pacific/us-china-military-missile-western-pacific/

Right now it’s projected that the U.S. would LOSE a war with China. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/us-would-lose-any-war-with-china-in-pacific/news-story/989d5832d6460e3bd7bbab4ca983967b

Another sad legacy of the Obama years, but Trump cannot right the ship given the internal insurgency now going on by the Democrats and the Left, largely underwritten by the CCP. I don’t know how they are laundering the money to antifa and the other leftists, or to the Democrat politicians in their pocket.


23 posted on 08/01/2020 11:51:56 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Mariner

China & Russia together will surpass US military & economic power, if they haven’t already. It’s inevitable. We are going to have to have with them.


24 posted on 08/01/2020 11:56:00 AM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Trumpisourlastchance

To have peace with them.


25 posted on 08/01/2020 11:56:25 AM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Spktyr

Perhaps and likely so the machines they produce hard drives on now are an evolution of what they were given before.

In any case it will take more than 10 yrs to convince me they have suddenly become innovative on their own. They are far to corrupt in their business dealings as judged by how we do business (not saying we don’t engage in industrial espionage but not against China)


26 posted on 08/01/2020 11:57:57 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: RomanSoldier19

They’ll never catch up with us unless we surrender, and don’t forget it!


27 posted on 08/01/2020 12:01:27 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith

They own us financially.


28 posted on 08/01/2020 12:10:46 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: RomanSoldier19

The author is a moron. It is never too late, unless there is no will.


29 posted on 08/01/2020 12:11:26 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich ( "Where they delete tweets, they will in the end also delete people."-unseen1_unseen)
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To: Spktyr

But everyone know the Chicoms are terrified of our tranny and pillow biter commandos.


30 posted on 08/01/2020 12:17:22 PM PDT by Wilderness Conservative (Nature is the ultimate conservative)
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To: All

Stop buying Chinese.
Red China is a COMMUNIST state which tyrannically rules and is aiming
thousand of nuclear missiles at us.

What kind people continue transferring trillions of dollar to Red China? WAKE UP or perish.


31 posted on 08/01/2020 12:19:53 PM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam; USgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: reasonisfaith

Our great strength is our ability to innovate. Our great weakness is that we have a deepstate that does everything in its power to strangle innovation. The biggest threat to genuinely new and advanced military equipment is a deepstate operated Defense acquisition process that strangles innovation. No one in DC has a good word to say about the process, but for every dollar that goes into development, production or engineering a couple of dollars go into useless strangling bureaucracy. The federal employees are only the tip of the iceberg. The real cost is all the useless contractors filling all the high-rise office buildings encircling the beltway. Not one of them does a damn thing towards actually making something that works.


32 posted on 08/01/2020 12:20:03 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: veracious
Stop buying Chinese.

And drain the swamp. You need both steps.

33 posted on 08/01/2020 12:20:40 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: RomanSoldier19

FAKE NEWS - we spend 5 times as much on our military as China does. There is simply NO WAY they can challenge us. It’s time we stop posting TRASH like this.

(don’t blame the messenger, that’s what I see posted RIGHT HERE)


34 posted on 08/01/2020 12:23:53 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here)
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To: kaehurowing

Pfffttt. Yeah, Japan and Australia are the best judges of current US military readiness.

You make a fool of yourself while running for your fainting couch.

Consider this: China gets 30% of all its electricity from one single dam, and all of its food from 7% of its land area. Almost all of its oil comes from the Middle East or Russia. Those are all critical choke points in a war with us.

Name one single extra territorial war or battle that the CCP has won. We have been at war since 1941 - all over the planet. The PLA does a great job of killing unarmed Chinese women and children, they suck at real combat.


35 posted on 08/01/2020 12:39:09 PM PDT by datura
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To: RomanSoldier19
Nice Read : What China Learned From Cold War America

Full article.

36 posted on 08/01/2020 12:50:05 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Mariner

In order to have a meaningful discussion about this the nature of the conflict must be defined, the shape of the battlefield, the definition of winning and losing, etc. I have not seen any of these posted so far.


37 posted on 08/01/2020 1:03:35 PM PDT by snoringbear (,W,E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Stop all trade with a China.


38 posted on 08/01/2020 1:05:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (ALL lives matter. If you disagree with me, YOU are the racist.)
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To: BobL

Respectfully, I think this kind of story is encouraged by our Military-Industrial Complex (Eisenhower’s term). I went to the U.S.S.R. during The Cold War. We were told that the Russians had reached parity, and would soon eclipse us, Beware !

What I saw with my own eyes was so primitive, as to be beyond beleif. Phones, food disrtibution, automobiles, consumer products and what passed for retail shopping - we were a thousand times more advanced, and they knew it.

I suspect similar to China, today. Thank you.


39 posted on 08/01/2020 1:27:24 PM PDT by jttpwalsh
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To: kaehurowing

The problem with the Navy is that is top heavy with stupidity and hubris.


40 posted on 08/01/2020 2:09:36 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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