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What a Second American Civil War Could Look Like
Townhall.com ^ | July 21, 2020 | Mark Nuckols

Posted on 07/21/2020 6:19:22 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: DuncanWaring

WHERE did you get your number of IRA fighters?- Fwiw in 1974, I attended a USAMPS school with an Irish GARDA captain & his GUESS was about 1,000-1500 IRA fighters.

As I mentioned in another post, BG Wendell Fertig had only about 50 guerrilla fighters through most of 1942 in the Philippines & those few US/Filipino guerrillas “played hell with” the 18th Japanese Field Force that outnumbered Fertig’s rag-tag group by at least 50-1.
(Casualty records, which were found after WWII, indicated that Fertig’s force killed or severely wounded at least 1300 Japanese soldiers & destroyed MILLIONS of dollars of Japanese equipment/supplies/property.- Setting Japanese-occupied buildings & equipment afire with Molotov cocktails cost the Japanese dearly.)

On the first actual day in February 1942 that Fertig’s force was active, the TOTAL number of longarms in USFIP hands was a about a DOZEN WWI-era Model of 1917 rifles, about 50 rounds of M2 Ball ammo, TWO privately-owned 16-gauge DB shotguns, with a single box of 25 shells, 4 “obsolete” Alaskan-model .45 caliber revolvers with about 25 rounds of pistol ammo & a single box of cane-knives.
(Knowing how PROUD that his Filipino personnel were, BG Fertig “passed out” a cane-knife to each Filipino & ordered them to go kill a Japanese soldier & NOT RETURN w/o his weapon, ammo, clothing & field gear. - USFIP records indicate that most of the few Filipinos fighters actually “- - - - returned to Fertig’s camp with TWO rifles & ammo, plus a large quantity of Japanese supplies”.)

A historical note: A former 20YO cruise ship civilian employee named Adolpho M. Guzman went into a nearby town in March 1942 to visit his family, to gather information about the Japanese who might be there, to “bring back anything useful that he could acquire” & was gone for about a week. When he returned late one night, he was “leading a group of over 100 ‘native bearers’, who were staggering under loads of weapons, numerous cases of Japanese ammo, 2 heavy machine guns with belts & about 5 tons of fresh/canned food & other military equipment & useful supplies”. - BG Fertig immediately promoted the man to 1LT, USFIP & “appointed him as Chief of Supply & Services, US Forces in the Philippines”.

Yours, TMN78247


241 posted on 07/21/2020 3:26:01 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: TMN78247

Got the “200” number out of John Ross’ “Unintended Consequences”.

It referred to the number actually actively working against the Brits, not just members.


242 posted on 07/21/2020 3:32:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kaslin

Bkmk


243 posted on 07/21/2020 3:37:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (Father of a US Air Force commissioned officer, and trained Air Force combat pilot. USAF RULES)
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To: Kaslin; Squantos; Travis McGee; Jack Black
"America’s external enemies will not sit by idly. "

First time I have ever seen this particular observation in print. No, they won't.

I have said for many years that if the United States falls into civil chaos, the wannabe superpowers of Russia, China, et al will not waste such an opportunity.

If the U.S. burns, then the world will burn. And as much as I hate to say it, it will deserve to.

244 posted on 07/21/2020 3:44:08 PM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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To: DuncanWaring

THANKS for the info on the source for the “200”.

As you have doubtless guessed, I’ve done some considerable amount of reading about USFIP actions in the Philippines & against the Japanese Forces in 1942-45.

According to the diary of a senior Japanese Naval Aviator, one of “the most humiliating psycological defeats of our forces” was that one of Fertig’s guerrilla fighters succeeded in stealing “- - - the very valuable & treasured personal polo pony of a Japanese General Officer & spiriting the horse away, ‘under the very noses of’ the General’s staff.”

Yours, TMN78247


245 posted on 07/21/2020 3:51:57 PM PDT by TMN78247 ("VICTORY or DEATH", William Barrett Travis, LtCol, comdt., Fortress of the Alamo, Bejar, F'by 241836)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You are correct. It will be far worse. 25 to 30 percent of the population will lose their lives


246 posted on 07/21/2020 4:00:31 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: GOPJ

watch v for vendetta. That is how to stop this thing


247 posted on 07/21/2020 4:03:47 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Thud

I assure you both sides have guns and leftists are itching to kill


248 posted on 07/21/2020 4:06:36 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: ctdonath2

the military is not to be counted on


249 posted on 07/21/2020 4:07:59 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Alberta's Child

Beetlejuice in chiraq is saying gun control.


250 posted on 07/21/2020 5:01:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The question is who around the world would supply our side?


251 posted on 07/21/2020 5:37:56 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Kaslin; BillyBoy; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; GOPsterinMA

Depends on whether Trump is reelected or if the US Army will be on the side of Antifa.


252 posted on 07/21/2020 5:53:52 PM PDT by Impy (Thug Lives Splatter)
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To: Impy; BillyBoy; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; DarthVader

He will and the military will support him.


253 posted on 07/21/2020 6:50:49 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: TMN78247

How are we in the rural areas to determine who is a Patriot in any city at any time? Not possible. I do assure you we ruralites have no interest in shooting any Patriot. How would we know so as to prevent such a travesty?

Who is getting us together well enough to make identification easy...like special hats or insignias? Who?


254 posted on 07/21/2020 7:13:37 PM PDT by Bodega
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To: Bodega

Learn how to create and run a checkpoint. If they don’t have a contact in their phone that’s inside your area. Keep moving.


255 posted on 07/21/2020 7:21:44 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: ealgeone

Russia will sell mines, mortars, rpg’s to ANYONE. They don’t care.


256 posted on 07/21/2020 7:28:35 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Impy; GOPsterinMA; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj

Army on the side of ANTIFA!! Don’t make me laugh!


257 posted on 07/21/2020 7:37:57 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: SmokingJoe

“Every country is different. And civil wars have hsd different causes. The civil war in The Sudan had totally different causes from the civil war in Yugoslavia for example.”

All true. It’s also true that, at least so far, no civil war anywhere at any time has ever occurred with the conditions that exist currently in the US. It’s worth pointing that out as well. It doesn’t mean that there couldn’t be a first time. But in an article like this it seems to me it’s a counter argument that should be considered and explain why it doesn’t pertain.

Freegards


258 posted on 07/21/2020 7:38:47 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: sarge83
A lot of it depends on how the US military reacts when civil war II starts.

It's imperative that a patriot like Trump is CiC when and if a war erupts. If not, a rat CiC will attempt to use the military to crush our side. In that scenario our side can still win, but the cost will be MUCH higher.

Extrapolating from that premise, if a war is to occur, it's better that the left starts it while Trump is president.

259 posted on 07/21/2020 7:50:02 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: Wildbill22

This constitution you talk about, is that the one that says natural born citizen and ALL of our elected and appointed failed to uphold when they swore in Obama who wasn’t?


260 posted on 07/21/2020 8:05:34 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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