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Donald Trump says the Confederate flag is a proud symbol of US south
Reuters via South China Morning Post ^ | 07/19/2020

Posted on 07/19/2020 1:36:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: DoodleDawg

It wasn’t Lincoln’s own land. South Carolina had lawfully seceded.


161 posted on 07/21/2020 6:31:17 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Bull Snipe

Lincoln invaded first.


162 posted on 07/21/2020 6:33:14 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird
It wasn’t his own country. South Carolina had lawfully seceded.

Apparently not, as it turned out.

Lincoln initiated it. He started the war deliberately. Look it up. His own letter to his naval commander afterwards confirms it.

So you're saying that the southern leaders of the rebellion were so dumb that they fell into Lincoln's trap and fired on Sumter? Doesn't say a lot about them, does it?

163 posted on 07/21/2020 6:33:42 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: FLT-bird
It wasn’t Lincoln’s own land. South Carolina had lawfully seceded.

So you keep saying. History showed otherwise.

164 posted on 07/21/2020 6:34:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: FLT-bird

Then why didn’t the Charleston batteries fire on the massive invasion armada that Lincoln sent to seize Charleston?


165 posted on 07/21/2020 6:34:57 AM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: DoodleDawg

So I guess we shouldn’t honor native Americans either since they too fought against the government.
Is the government building statues for them?
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There is a twenty story statue being built near mount Rushmore. I wonder who is funding that?


166 posted on 07/21/2020 6:56:11 AM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: DoodleDawg

The bureaucrats in Washington are not making you personally drop the rebel flag or cease honoring your rebel ancestors. You are free to continue doing so if that’s your choice. They are saying that the government itself should not be publicly honoring those who waged war against it. What is so hard to understand about that?
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One of the things that made me proud to be American was that our government was big enough and confident enough to honor Americans who fought against it in the 1860s. This petty destruction makes us smaller and vindictive 150 years later. Plus it is doing the Dhimmos a service by hiding their part in the war.


167 posted on 07/21/2020 7:09:42 AM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: Republican Wildcat

Except that it is you that is engaging in the historical revisionism. I take the Confederate politicians at their word when I read the resolutions of secession they passed as the reasons for leaving the United States that it was about slavery, racism, and white supremacy
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And yet when Lincoln gave his Proclamation Emancipation he only freed the Southern Slaves and not the Northern. The South as they were running out of young White men emancipated their own slaves. (Granted it was to continue the fight but it was the end to slavery in the South.) That part has always been overlooked. It is the history of this country both North and South that we have climbed from sin to a higher purer purpose over time. It is one of our blessings for being free people.


168 posted on 07/21/2020 7:19:53 AM PDT by joegoeny ("Nuts!")
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To: joegoeny
There is a twenty story statue being built near mount Rushmore. I wonder who is funding that?

Private donors: Link

169 posted on 07/21/2020 7:56:15 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: joegoeny
One of the things that made me proud to be American was that our government was big enough and confident enough to honor Americans who fought against it in the 1860s.

Should we raise statues to Axis Sally, Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, and the American citizens who fought for Germany in World War II?

But again, I don't care what states do. And if the federal government decides to change their opinion of those who fought against us in the Southern rebellion then I don't have a problem with that either.

170 posted on 07/21/2020 8:01:34 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Should we raise statues to Axis Sally, Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, and the American citizens who fought for Germany in World War II?

What a d!ck comparing my ancestors to Nazi. In better times little jerks like you end up with smashed faces in but keyboard commandos are soooo brave.

171 posted on 07/21/2020 8:05:57 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: DoodleDawg

Struck a spark on that one. Or at least lard...


172 posted on 07/21/2020 11:27:50 AM PDT by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va
What a d!ck comparing my ancestors to Nazi.

Well if it makes you feel better I'll only compare your ancestors to Benedict Arnold. Better?

173 posted on 07/21/2020 11:31:37 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
Apparently not, as it turned out. Nope. It had. Nothing that occurred afterward has changed the legality of it. So you're saying that the southern leaders of the rebellion were so dumb that they fell into Lincoln's trap and fired on Sumter? Doesn't say a lot about them, does it? No, I'm saying they had no choice. It was be invaded without defending themselves or defend themselves. That's pretty much the choice everybody is put to when attacked as they were.
174 posted on 07/21/2020 2:45:07 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: DoodleDawg
So you keep saying. History showed otherwise. So it was and history has not proven anything as to its legality.
175 posted on 07/21/2020 2:45:55 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Bull Snipe
Then why didn’t the Charleston batteries fire on the massive invasion armada that Lincoln sent to seize Charleston? They had fired on an invader before - namely, the star of the west. This time they opted to evict the squatters after the squatters turned their guns toward the city of Charleston.
176 posted on 07/21/2020 2:47:21 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: DoodleDawg
Should we raise statues to Axis Sally, Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose, and the American citizens who fought for Germany in World War II? But again, I don't care what states do. And if the federal government decides to change their opinion of those who fought against us in the Southern rebellion then I don't have a problem with that either. The difference is the Confederates were not traitors. They did not provide aid and comfort to an enemy or make war upon them (the states). They lawfully seceded. Lincoln then attacked them and forced them to defend themselves.
177 posted on 07/21/2020 2:50:01 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: FLT-bird
Nope. It had. Nothing that occurred afterward has changed the legality of it

And nothing you say now changes the illegality of it.

No, I'm saying they had no choice. It was be invaded without defending themselves or defend themselves.

Or let Sumter be resupplied and maintain the status quo. Why was war their only choice if they didn't really want one?

178 posted on 07/21/2020 3:01:55 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: FLT-bird
No, I'm saying they had no choice. It was be invaded without defending themselves or defend themselves.

Several Supreme Court cases say otherwise.

179 posted on 07/21/2020 3:03:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: FLT-bird
The difference is the Confederates were not traitors.

Article III, Section 3, Clause 1. Look it up.

180 posted on 07/21/2020 3:04:35 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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