Posted on 07/18/2020 9:39:17 AM PDT by knighthawk
A 23-year-old Los Angeles police officer known as 'top shot' is being sued by the heartbroken 14-year-old daughter of a man she killed, after he appeared to lunge at the cop with a box cutter.
Toni McBride, an officer in LAPD's Newton Division who has appeared in magazines and practices at gun ranges alongside Hollywood stars including Keanu Reeves, is being sued after bodycam footage showing her shooting Daniel Hernandez, 38, in downtown Los Angeles in April was released.
The footage shows that after instructing him to drop a box cutter he was holding, Hernandez appeared to continue to walk towards the officer.
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He was closer than it appears. The simple physics of a wide angle lens make hime seem smaller and further away than he actually is.
Yeah. You just keep allowing them to get closer, and closer, until they are too close to stop.
The police learned this in a classic case in San Diego, as I recall. The perp had a knife. He kept getting closer and closer. The officer could not come up with a decision point to fire. The perp basically walked up to the officer and disemboweled him, as I recall.
It is a bad idea to approach an armed person with a weapon in your hand, and refuse to respond to orders to stop and drop the weapon.
Agree... Somehow black men, especially young black men, think resisting arrest is an acceptable thing to do. When things escalate what are law officers supposed to do?
They took planes down using box cutters.
21 Feet is about right- inside that and the shooter with a holstered firearm is likely gonna get stiches or worse.
Several years ago, actually maybe a decade, my son and I tried to “beat the knife” with a set of drills.
Set up: 7 yard target, shooter holstered. Runner 5 yards farther up range, 7 yards off to one side, another target set up, both perpendicular to the range, target directly in line but behind the shooter ( the shooter between the targets, the runner off to one side and behind). The RO would set the timer to 3 sec delay, on the tone the shooter would try to draw and shoot one shot into the target, while the runner would try tag the uprange target before the shot was recorded, the RO would watch the runners target to manually stop the timer when he touched it.
With me, then in my late 40s, I could draw and fire a shot in less than 2 seconds, close to 1.3, my son, an athlete in his mid 20s, could tag the target in under two seconds, it was a virtual tie. Closing the runners distance one yard would routinely result in a tag before a shot. I was competing in ISPC and IDPA regularly and firing 3-500 rounds per week, so I was well practiced with that 1911. This was a draw from concealment. From an comp holster, it was still close, but the runner would still tag more often than the shooter.
With gun a low ready, it was a near given the shooter would hit before the tag.
Lessons learned- distance/obstacles are our friends, having a gun in hand is better than two or five in a holster....
Situational awareness saves lives, avoidance saves more.
Clearly legal kill, he was charging her with a deadly weapon.
and you were probably shooting, while moving, more rounds in a week than the average cop shoots standing still between qualification sessions.
Fast to shootSo you were there? Saw the whole thing live?Way too fast
“...that idiot was emboldened by what he perceived to be his immortality.”
Not just his immortality, but all the anti-police crap that started with Obama. The police are always on the defensive now, generally waiting too long to dispatch a person seeking to kill them. The woman officer in Michigan waited too long and the perp got his hand on her weapon possibly causing it to jam.
This bastard in LA is walking with that ridiculous street thug swagger just oozing “You aren’t going to shoot me. I’m going to kill you.”
“waited until he was within, say 10 feet? no idea”.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Somebody who wants to do you harm already has an adrenalin load on; one, or even 3 or 4 shots from a standard police issue firearm will NOT STOP THEM until you have your throat slashed open.
Within the 10 feet if your REALLY good and using a large enough firearm, you MIGHT be able to turn their head into a pink mist if you put one or two right between their running lights.
My problem with idiots is that strength and size have NOTHING TO DO WITH A KNIFE FIGHT!
If her gun jammed and could not refire she would be dead. Since we stupidly insist on putting skinny ass females in cop uniforms we have to allow them leeway to take aggressive action since they are so weak and vulnerable.
Neither were you hoss?
That canard cuts both ways
“Sheriff, why did you and your deputies shoot the perpetrator 45 times?”
“We ran out of ammunition.”
And so I did. I did not see a jam. Can you point to the exact time where you see a jam? Thanks!
You are twisting my words and/or projecting.
I did NOT say she should've let him get within striking distance. I DID say that when she started shooting the guy was quite out of striking distance and NOT approaching her at any rapid speed (that Tueller Drill scenario that I was responding to, even if you choose to ignore that). Slowly stumbling is more like it. He seemed to hesitate in his approach, actually, but the footage is pixilated from that time.
You are right. Her finger is not curled over the trigger.
I was slow in seeing this because of other distractions...
She is innocent of any crime. Not because of her beauty but because a fool lunged at her with a box cutter in his hand.
Good for her, bad for him. It seems to be a “suicide by cop” situation. The details of the reaction time vs. distance of attacker are interesting but, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES, you should never charge a police officer, PERIOD!
When the shooting starts, the lawless will drop and I will cheer!
So, how close was he? It is not clear from the video, as some have mentioned, because of the optical effect.
You say he was "out of striking distance".
The point of the Tueller Drill is that "striking distance" is much further than most people think.
I explained why, at some point, you have to decide to stop them, instead of allowing them to keep closing the gap.
Should she have waited a few more seconds? Maybe. My best guess is he was about 20-25 feet away when she shot.
She might have had other options. There were other police around. Maybe she could have moved behind a car.
I hesitate to second guess an officer who is being approached by a man with a weapon who refuses to obey commands.
Oh, I fully agree she shouldn’t have let him ever get THAT close. The point was/is - see my previous responses - that the guy was not approaching *rapidly*, just slowly stumbling along, and *still fairly* distant, considering she already had him in her sights.
And FFS, I was just commenting on that quoted Tueller Drill scenario, which does NOT apply here IMHO. So yeah, I think she could’ve held off for a bit longer to wait how he’d respond to her commands, but I’ll grant that “imminent threat” is a subjective thing - especially if you’re a chick doing a man’s job...
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