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UCSF scientists: coronavirus immunity only temporary?
SF Chronicle via Benecia Independent ^ | July 17th, 2020 | by Peter Fimrite

Posted on 07/17/2020 1:35:46 PM PDT by Mariner

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To: Mariner

India has had a million people infected and only 26,000 have died.

Could their regular use of Hydroxychloroquine be the reason for such a low death rate?


41 posted on 07/17/2020 2:08:09 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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"Disturbing new revelations that permanent immunity [??? emphasis added] to the coronavirus..."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument

I’m certainly familiar with seasonal flu shots that have a reputation for targeting the wrong flu strain. Have also heard of booster shots for diseases though to be eradicated. But I’ve never heard of permanent immunity to anything.

So is rabid, desperate left now fantasizing about getting PDJT out of Oval Office for failing to deliver politically correct “permanent immunity” for COVID-19 so that left can once again start stealing state revenues by means of unconstitutional federal taxes?

Who knows? Maybe vitamin D3 will ultimately prove to be more effective than big government contract for COVID-19 vaccine in my non-medical opinion.

"Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States." —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

Send "Orange Man Bad" federal and state government desperate Democrats and RINOs home in November!

Supporting PDJT with a new patriot Congress and state government leaders that will promise to fully support his already excellent work for MAGA and stopping SARS-CoV-2 will effectively give fast-working Trump a "third term" in office imo.


42 posted on 07/17/2020 2:10:19 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: LouieFisk

We actually developed several vaccines, all of which were failures. That tweet you sent is not an accurate statement:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/


43 posted on 07/17/2020 2:10:53 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: SmokingJoe

Article’s data is out of date. Deaths are now increasing again.


44 posted on 07/17/2020 2:11:40 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (No Longer Tolerating Trolls!)
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To: Mariner

WHY NOT JUST KILL THE VIRUS AND HERE IS THE STUFF TO DO IT WITH. IT EVEN HAS BEEN PATENT ABOUT THIRTY YEARS AGO.

One of the best kept secrets around is BHT and its ability to kill LIPID covered viruses amongst them the corona virus.

BHT short for butylatedhydroxytoluene, has been around for the better part of thirty years or more, has been approved as a food additive by the FDA as safe for human consumption in small quantities and using common sense. Without going into all the details which would fill many pages some of the benefits are difficult to ignore even so pharmaceutical as well as the medical profession does their best to do so. As a prophylactic it would serve its purpose very well until the right vaccine comes along, without any undesirable side effects, besides being inexpensive and is safer than alcohol consumption, use of tobacco or many other unhealthy eating habits, including many prescription dugs with, many of them having undesirable side effects. No doubt whenever you had a prescription filled it came along with a sheet filled with warnings.

Some of the reasons are that that there is no money to be made by pharmaceutical companies as patents related to BHT ran out long time ago and in order to have it approved for medical application it would require an immeasurable amounts of human tests with expenditures in the millions of Dollars which most likely will never be recovered.

On the other hand many doctors may know about it but will refrain from suggesting it as recommending anything which is not approved by the FDA would leave them wide open to lawsuits, as it is pretty well known that one of the American dreams is, to fall on your neighbors property and then sue them for what ever they can get.

Over the years enough information about BHT has surfaced that if used in small quantities to achieve a particular result, such as from 100 mg to about 1g (one gram or 1000mg) and in most cases 250mg to 450mg may do a nice job for some of the things suggested, it may be less harmful than an equivalent amount of Aspirins. Again do your own research and use common sense which appears to be in short supply these days. Should you decide to try don’t go overboard with it, as more is not always better.

Even so if you still apprehensive or hesitant, use it only when one of those nasty viruses appears on the scene and use it as a prophylactic in a small quantity perhaps up to 450 mg and once the danger subside stop taking it. The catch is that in order to do its job BHT works better before you get sick, as BHT will NOT REPAIR ANY DAMAGE which may already have been done by an infectious disease such as the corona virus. Even so, if taken afterwards BHT will still continue to disable lipid covered viruses, but to repair any damage already caused may require different medications.

One suggested way of taking BHT is to dissolve the quantity you intend to take first in oil as BHT is only soluble in either oil or alcohol, I is also much better absorbed by the human body, but alcohol is not recommended to consume along with BHT. One way of doing it is to dissolve 18 grams or 277 grains, if you happen to have a powder scale used for reloading, of BHT in 200 milliliters of olive oil in a small glass bottle. Then heat it up slightly in a microwave for maybe 40 seconds and then shake it a few times. A teaspoon of this substance, depending on its size will give you approx. 450 mg of BHT which in most cases should do the trick.

So why take BHT on the firs place? It has been long known that BHT will damage the lipid layer or cover from LIPID COVERED viruses and the coronavirus happens to be just such one of such viruses and by doing so will prevent such a virus from attaching itself and do its dirty work.

The Principal Benefits of BHT

In order of importance, supplementing with BHT can help with:

Reduce and prevent viral infections such as herpes, thus terminating their outbreaks. But BHT is also effective against many different human and animal viruses including CMV (cytomegalovirus),9 pseudorabies,10 genital herpes,11HIV,12 and many strains of influenza. These are just a few but not all of the viruses that have a lipid envelope and may be killed by BHT include herpes simplex I, herpes simplex II, herpes zoster, CMV, West Nile virus, HIV virus, influenza virus, hepatitis B and C viruses, avian flu influenza virus and the SARS virus. However, BHT has not been clinically tested to treat and address these infections individually, and there probably never will be as no money can be made. Here, it may be of interest to note that a patent had been filed with the number US4350707 for BHT because of its LIPID COVERED virus killing ability approximately 30 years ago, however in the meantime this patent has expired.

Now keep in mind that very few things in life are perfect and this holds true for vaccines as well as BHT. So when everything comes down to being cut and dried, do you prefer risking being infected with a nasty virus with all kinds of unpredictable side effects or take a chance with some substance which overall has a very good safety record.

Besides most viruses will mutate over time, and by the time someone may come up with the proper vaccine it may no longer match the virus which is currently making its round. But this doesn’t make any difference with BHT if such a virus mutates or not. As long as such a virus has a lipid coating it will damage and disable it..
One of my hunches is, of course it is only speculation, and is based on how vaccination generally works. After BHT has finished the deactivation process of a given virus, such a virus may no longer have the potential to harm the human body, however any remnants of it may encourage our immune system to spring into action and produce anti bodies against this particular virus. Basically this is how immunization works by injecting a deactivated virus in anticipation that our immune system responds to it and begins to fight the real thing, when it come along by means of antibodies it has developed in the mean time.
I for one and many others who have been using BHT off and on for the past thirty years whenever one of these lipid covered viruses made their rounds have been pretty successful in keeping those nasty viruses at bay..
If you are interested enough you may want to watch this short movie clip on YouTube………
BHT and Coronavirus | LIFE EXTENSION BOOK RESEARCH
www.youtube.com › watch

And by the way and for what it is worth...
To date, there has never been a successful coronavirus vaccine made, due to the nature of the virus. Additionally, past attempts to create a coronavirus vaccine have ONLY RESULTED IN LEAVING THE VACCINATED PERSON WITH A HIGHER CHANCE OF SERIOUS ILLNESS AND DEATH WHEN LATER EXPOSED TO ANOTHER STRAIN OF THE VIRUS.


45 posted on 07/17/2020 2:14:04 PM PDT by saintgermaine (THE TIME TRAVELLER)
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To: Seruzawa

I’m 66 and have never had the flu so I’ve never gotten the shot. And I never will unless it’s forced upon me in order to live in society.


46 posted on 07/17/2020 2:16:51 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Irish lives matter!)
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To: Mariner

So you re-vaccinate yearly, like we do with the flu.

Meanwhile, vaccines are actually working in trials, and one seems to trigger t-cells which DO seem to stick around.

On the other hand, this group seems to be pushing expensive treatments they can develop and market, so of course they will downplay vaccines, to try to draw in investors and make more money.


47 posted on 07/17/2020 2:17:05 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Wonder Warthog
The death count is mangled .
The deaths count includes people who had other illness like Strokes ,
motorcycle accidents but were positive .
The CDC has destroyed all the counts .
48 posted on 07/17/2020 2:17:06 PM PDT by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists .)
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To: TigersEye

- Flu shots are every year because there are different flu viruses every year.

Mutated from the same old viruses from the year before.

Generally no.


49 posted on 07/17/2020 2:18:37 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Article’s data is right on the money. Its a very long article encompassing many countries. I took the time to read it all last night. They are exactly right.
You may want to actually read it before spewing. You obviously haven’t read it.


50 posted on 07/17/2020 2:19:30 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Mariner

It seems that people who never really get the virus, or never have symptoms (usually because their t-cells work against it), never develop and keep strong antibodies.

Who cares?


51 posted on 07/17/2020 2:19:41 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Mariner

Wuhan Institute of Virology did a great job tweaking this virus.


52 posted on 07/17/2020 2:19:56 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: dinodino

At any rate, it just up & died down. What would be interesting would be to study what made it end as an epidemic - was something within the virus itself or something external, like the strict quarantines.


53 posted on 07/17/2020 2:23:47 PM PDT by LouieFisk
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Specifically yes ... according to the CDC.

Why do I need a flu vaccine every year?

A flu vaccine is needed every season for two reasons. First, a person’s immune protection from vaccination declines over time, so an annual vaccine is needed for optimal protection. Second, because flu viruses are constantly changing, flu vaccines may be updated from one season to the next to protect against the viruses that research suggests may be most common during the upcoming flu season. For the best protection, everyone 6 months and older should get vaccinated annually.

How do flu vaccines work?

...

The seasonal flu vaccine protects against the influenza viruses that research indicates will be most common during the upcoming season. Most flu vaccines in the United States protect against four different flu viruses (“quadrivalent”); an influenza A (H1N1) virus, an influenza A (H3N2) virus, and two influenza B viruses. There are also some flu vaccines that protect against three different flu viruses (“trivalent”); an influenza A (H1N1) virus, an influenza A (H3N2) virus, and one influenza B virus. Two of the trivalent vaccines are designed specifically for people 65 and older to create a stronger immune response.


54 posted on 07/17/2020 2:30:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (Covid is over. We have been conditioned by it. The Cultural Revolution has begun.)
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To: Mariner

We get a flu shot every year this is no big deal.


55 posted on 07/17/2020 2:36:03 PM PDT by oldenuff35
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To: LouieFisk

Has anyone even asked the question

Do we need a vaccine for COVID-19?

This virus has been way over hyped IMHO

Most vaccines are at best 40% effective and on average are 20-30% effective.

The death rates for this virus do not rise to the level of concern that government has shown or the restrictions it has imposed.


56 posted on 07/17/2020 2:40:40 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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57 posted on 07/17/2020 2:44:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

If true, that’s Hugh, too.
(and she’s kinda cute)


58 posted on 07/17/2020 2:47:33 PM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: ifinnegan

Can the same thing be said about covid-19?
If it continues to mutate, what good is any vaccine?


59 posted on 07/17/2020 2:52:52 PM PDT by entropy12 (covid-19 separates the fearful from the freedom loving! If I am not afraid, no one should be.)
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UCSF?

Put down the bongs, grab some towels, and step out of the bath salts-infused hot tubs...

60 posted on 07/17/2020 2:54:29 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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