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PAPER: Now’s a good time to scrap Civil Asset Forfeiture
LA Daily News ^ | July 11 | Editorial Board

Posted on 07/12/2020 10:28:59 AM PDT by RandFan

The killing of George Floyd and the subsequent nationwide uproar has rightfully forced needed conversations about law enforcement and the criminal justice system.

While Congress has so far fumbled on working toward tangible, passable legislation, Sens. Rand Paul, R–Kentucky, Mike Lee, R–Utah, Mike Crapo, R–Idaho, and Angus King, I–Maine, have reintroduced legislation to limit the use of civil asset forfeiture.

Through the practice, law enforcement is able to seize cash and other assets from individuals suspected or accused of criminal activity without so much as a criminal conviction or even bringing criminal charges.

The practice of civil asset forfeiture in contemporary times has its roots in the War on Drugs, and is often defended on the grounds that it’s necessary to seize ill-gotten assets from drug lords.

But in reality, the practice often sweeps up either completely innocent people or those only peripherally related to criminal activity.

The Institute for Justice, for example, has noted cases like that of a New Jersey woman whose car was seized because her son, without her knowledge, used her car while selling marijuana.

In addition to the problem of empowering law enforcement to seize property in the name of fighting crime without even getting a criminal conviction, civil asset forfeiture skews the incentives of many police departments to prioritize enforcement in cases expected to yield seizure opportunities.

To address this, Paul’s Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration Act would eliminate financial incentives for local law enforcement agencies to participate in civil asset forfeiture in partnership with federal agencies by repealing “equitable sharing” between federal and state and local agencies of seizure revenues.

It would also raise the threshold for forfeiture by requiring “clear and convincing evidence” that a seized asset is linked to a crime, instead of the current “preponderance of the evidence” standard.

While we’d prefer that any civil asset forfeiture be banned outright, these are significant improvements over the status quo. Police agencies should always serve the interests of the public. Any incentive to police for profit should be eliminated.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: asset; forfeiture; ky; police; rand; wod
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1 posted on 07/12/2020 10:28:59 AM PDT by RandFan
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To: RandFan

yes yes!
civil asset forfeiture purports to authorize police and state agents to take (steal, in effect) private American citizens’ property ... (noting also that the victims of this terrible practice are almost always innocent under the law when the cops/agents steal their goodies, money, whatever)

this practice incentivizes honest police and any involved judiciary to become corrupt as Hell

we must end this awful practice now!


2 posted on 07/12/2020 10:33:47 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Politicians are not born, theyÂ’re excreted. Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: RandFan

The beginning of this article starts on a falsehood. There was no need for a public discourse on police and race relationships. It was pure propaganda to take our president down.

When somebody starts an article stating the ridiculous, there is no reason to read any further.

I am sick of us giving in and having to read the first paragraph of every article by every limp-wristed Republican about how race relations and police abuse need to be talked about.

if you want to talk about civil Fortune then talk about it. Don’t bring this Floyd garbage into it


3 posted on 07/12/2020 10:35:31 AM PDT by dp0622 (Trump!!)
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To: RandFan
Thank goodness and I hope that this passes. There are too many incentives to go after innocent gun owners and such with nothing more than a phone call from snitch which most of the time is retaliation.

Drug dealers use the snitching ability to put their competitors out of business. Useful trolls use it to take out revenge. The no knock raids where they show up and kill the innocent and their pets has to be stopped.

The war on drugs is an unending money grabbing scheme by those in power that are usually shipping the drugs and weapons into this country.


4 posted on 07/12/2020 10:37:12 AM PDT by ssfromla
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To: ssfromla

I think this is something the left and right can agree on to scrap it. Although the Establishment don’t want reform so it’s tough.

They won’t give up billions of loot easily .. we have discussed this before and remain pessimistic.

But at least we can advance the argument? Shrug.


5 posted on 07/12/2020 10:43:02 AM PDT by RandFan (3C)
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To: faithhopecharity

Jeff Sessions will be mighty unhappy.


6 posted on 07/12/2020 10:43:31 AM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones - FUBO - Come and get me)
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To: dp0622

It’s an editorial by the editorial bard, not an article by a republican
That being said, I agree most freepers could do a better job excerpting things


7 posted on 07/12/2020 10:46:26 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Their side circles the wagons. Our side revs up the bus)
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To: Sheapdog

Hopefully he’ll be gone for good soon..


8 posted on 07/12/2020 10:46:41 AM PDT by RandFan (3C)
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To: RandFan
Also needing to be addressed is the unfair advantage federal prosecutors have when a citizen elects to defend himself in court. The Feds will never run out of money while every defendant goes bankrupt presenting a drawn out defense. Prosecutors know this so will always present a plea bargain to a lesser charge to save time (while the defendant still goes to jail but for a shortened sentence). Courts need to rule on this unfair prosecutorial advantage by making the government foot the bill.
9 posted on 07/12/2020 10:52:02 AM PDT by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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To: RandFan
Paul’s Fifth Amendment Integrity Restoration Act would eliminate financial incentives for local law enforcement agencies to participate in civil asset forfeiture in partnership with federal agencies by repealing “equitable sharing” between federal and state and local agencies of seizure revenues.

It would also raise the threshold for forfeiture by requiring “clear and convincing evidence” that a seized asset is linked to a crime, instead of the current “preponderance of the evidence” standard.

Outstanding!

10 posted on 07/12/2020 10:54:34 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: RandFan

Leftist editorial trying to protect Billions, perhaps Trillions, that will be seized from mostly leftist human traffickers.


11 posted on 07/12/2020 10:58:33 AM PDT by meadsjn
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The killing of George Floyd...

George Floyd Killed George Floyd-

What is a fatal dose of Fentanyl? The average death dose was 9.96 ng/mL

Floyd’s blood contained 11.0 ng/mL Fentanyl, plus 5.6 ng/mL norfentanyl, 19 ng/mL of methamphetamine, and three other drugs

Also Note the extensive heart disease that Floyd had from the autopsy report:

II. Natural diseases

A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe

B. Hypertensive heart disease

1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular

dilatation

2. Clinical history of hypertension

Note the finding of No life-threatening injuries:

III. No life-threatening injuries identified

A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae

B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal

structures

C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries

D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other

than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column

injuries, or visceral injuries

Notice the fatal dose of the opioid fentanyl in the toxicology report:

VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing

performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at

9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL

3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL

4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL

5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;

Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL

6. Cotinine positive

7. Caffeine positive


12 posted on 07/12/2020 11:14:55 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: meadsjn
Leftist editorial trying to protect Billions, perhaps Trillions,

So to you, seizing assets with no criminal charges ever filed is a conservative policy?

that will be seized from mostly leftist human traffickers.

Where's the evidence for that "mostly"?

13 posted on 07/12/2020 11:33:41 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: RandFan

Yes! Leverage this moment to eliminate REAL corruption, including police unions and other government unions.


14 posted on 07/12/2020 11:40:36 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Trump is solving the world's problems only to distract us from Russia.)
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To: RandFan

I don’t think we should scrap it, we should modify it so it ONLY APPLIES to PUBLIC SERVANTS and it should be Mandatory for the State to Sieze their Assets upon being accused of Corruption


15 posted on 07/12/2020 12:34:59 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: RandFan

I am in LE. I do not care for civil asset forfeiture and would be ok with it being eliminated or totally reformed.


16 posted on 07/12/2020 12:53:21 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: Noamie

Glad to hear it ... the problem is those higher up will oppose any reforms to their cash cow.

What about no knock warrants?


17 posted on 07/12/2020 1:11:43 PM PDT by RandFan (3C)
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To: RandFan

“What about no knock warrants?”

I feel that they have their place, but it is outside what most people think of.

You ever serve a warrant on a MS-13 drug house with kidnap victims inside? They never seem to just open that door voluntarily... Who knows why. :)


18 posted on 07/12/2020 1:26:56 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: faithhopecharity
we must end this awful practice now!

There's more to it. Every day the Border Patrol and CBP seizes hundreds of vehicles used by drug and human smugglers.

Do we really want to just give their vehicles back. That will make their operational costs go way down.

19 posted on 07/12/2020 1:27:14 PM PDT by usurper ( version)
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To: usurper

That is criminal forfeiture, where the vehicle is seized as evidence of a crime someone is then pretty much immediately arrested for.

Civil forfeiture does not require charges to *ever* be filed. Let alone a conviction to be obtained.


20 posted on 07/12/2020 1:34:20 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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