Posted on 06/14/2020 9:22:43 AM PDT by conservative98
States may need to lock back down if coronavirus cases spike, the CDC is warning.
If cases begin to go up again, particularly if they go up dramatically, its important to recognize that more mitigation efforts such as what were implemented back in March may be needed again, Jay Butler, the agencys deputy director for infectious diseases, told reporters Friday.
However, the second wave of lockdowns could be accomplished on a local, rather than state-wide level, Butler said.
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Thanks Jim. I do believe we need to reopen, fully aware that there may more cases. Some media are reporting higher cases in Florida and other states that are reopening. However, what they dont report is that this is most likely due to more testing as a high percentage of positives are asymptomatic. What they should be looking at is hospitalizations and deaths.
You are correct in that we dont fully know but we also cannot destroy our country based on models that have proven to be faulty and experts that have so far been wrong about most everything.
I appreciate your explanation and position.
Thanks!
“Oldsters like us can take extra precautions as personally desired and appropriate.”
Yeah. A few days ago I took the extra precaution of driving down to Rifle, CO, and eating at Shooter’s Grill.
I’m very close to three score and ten, and I’m not going to ruin my last years by acting like a coward.
Thanks for the warning but we will watch it anyway because we have no cable or antenna. We download everything we watch from the internet so even if it’s only good it fills air time. I call it “feeding the beast”.
What concerns me is the Medicare costs born by us taxpayers. Average length of stay for a COVID-19 patient is 13 days and a majority are elderly and on Medicare. This is costing us a fortune.
The average cost to treat a hospitalized patient with coronavirus is $30,000.
Medicare covers the lab tests for COVID-19.
Medicare covers FDA-authorized COVID-19 antibody (or serology) tests.
Medicare covers all medically necessary hospitalizations. This includes those diagnosed with COVID-19 who might otherwise have been discharged after an inpatient stay, but instead needed to stay in the hospital under quarantine (old folks & pre-existing conditions).
Jim Noble, I just want to reiterate-this is not meant as an attack in any way on you. I have followed your posts for many years, and find them thoughtful.
I disagreed with the broad characterization, and also saw it as a good time to see if many of us could get on the same base.
I have not taken to the streets in protest of this shutdown up to now because I believed there was enough uncertainty to err on the side of caution. But if there is another shutdown, and I truly believe in my heart that we are going to see a push for another shutdown in September/October, I will take to the streets, even in my blue state where I am certain to be outmanned and outgunned.
But I am going to do it. We cannot do this again, with the trillion dollar relief packages that are certain to go along with any shutdown.
I think you’re being overly concerned. I live in Spain, which had the second strictest lockdown in the world and they did worse than Sweden, which didn’t lock down at all. We also didn’t impose idiotic rules like Cuomo and still 2/3 of our deaths were in nursing homes. My town has 27000 people. They wiped out our summer and I expect that a lot of businesses that were open last year won’t be open next year. And for what? 1 Cold death and 10 illnesses.
Thanks...there is another thing:
We know this will not be the last time this is going to happen. I believe there are unfriendly eyes watching the way we have reacted to this in the USA, and it would be foolish to think they won’t draw conclusions from it.
There are things I see that irritate me, and one of them is seeing the flag at half mast for EVERYTHING, including when some celebrity dies. It has gotten to the point where when I see the flag up fully, I wonder what is wrong. This incessant state of mourning and fear is repulsive to me.
It indicates a softness of our national character I find repellent.
Along those lines, our sticking with this lockdown long after it has been known that this virus affects different groups of people with far different levels of severity, indicates a flaw in our national character I find unpalatable.
Sorry, that reply was meant for a different thread.
“indicates a flaw in our national character I find unpalatable.”
Yes. Makes me glad that I’m old and won’t be around to see this country — whatever it will be called — 25 years from now.
Most Biblical scholars I’ve paid attention to believe that the USA as we are now isn’t referred to in eschatology, so this actually could be the end for us.
Along those lines, our sticking with this lockdown long after it has been known that this virus affects different groups of people with far different levels of severity, indicates a flaw in our national character I find unpalatable.
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I am disappointed at the numbers of “sheeple” that are evidently present in the population ... appears to be a majority.
I read your posts and tend to agree it could go either way. I prefer not to further destroy more livelihoods/small business and take the chance. Are you an epidemiologist by profession as you imply?
That said, the CDC, HIH, NAISD, and especially WHO have had no real understanding of COVID and have changed their models weekly. I also understand that China was not originally forth-coming which caused the above agencies to come up with their own models. The WHO is pretty much in bed with China, so no surprise there.
My bottom line: I believe there will be more outbreaks of COVID, but closing the economy down again will have even worse results. Seem you are of like mind. Thank you for your input.
Thanks for you thoughtful comments.
Are you an epidemiologist by profession as you imply?
Epidemiology of infectious diseases is part of what I do. Mostly I kill germs - inside of people.
Our president, you know the man who runs the country because he was elected to do so, that guy: has already said No new shutdown. Go away Fraudci.
It indicates a softness of our national character I find repellent.
Because I work so closely with public health (especially now), I agree completely - but the softness is expressed through our politicians (spit) who simply are responding to their voters.
I feel the passion around here about the lockdowns, but they are quite popular in our safety-ridden culture, surely you know they would win a popular vote by a large margin.
Anyway, the die is cast, America is going back to work, we will know in 4-6 weeks what the outcome is.
Keep your fingers crossed.
The World Health Organization admitted on June 8 that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus - and that’s the entire basis for social distancing.
The World Health Organization admitted on June 8 that asymptomatic people dont spread the virus
And they retracted within hours because it isnt true. HOW MUCH asymptomatic spread there is is unknown - but that it has been occurring all over the world is proven beyond a doubt.
So, you're an MD of some specialty? I ask because you seem to have some personal inside knowledge than we're getting from WHO and CDC. I just read that some 54 positions in NIH have been fired/eliminated due to their connections with China.
CDC if the country shuts down again there will be an outbreak of lead poisoning.
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