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Confederate base names stir tensions over America's dark past
BBC ^ | 11 June 2020 | Jonathan Marcus

Posted on 06/11/2020 8:18:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

This week, if there had been no pandemic, I would have been on leave, heading for Gettysburg in Pennsylvania - the site of the famous battle in the American Civil War of 1861-65.

For some reason this conflict captured my interest as a child. I've always wanted to attend the Gettysburg College Civil War Institute's annual summer school. Sadly, that has been cancelled this year because of Covid-19.

On frequent trips to the States, I used to buy a historical magazine about the war whose masthead slogan proclaimed: "For those who still hear the sound of the guns."

This reference to the echoes of the conflict through the ages is, I think, why the war still fascinates me today.

As the Black Lives Matter movement demonstrates, for many Americans there is still unfinished business from the Civil War years.

The benefits of black emancipation were partial and never fully realised. Oppression, disproportionate poverty and racism continue to this day, more than 150 years after the conflict ended.

Other Americans who still hold to the myths about "the old South" take a very different view. And then there are the hardcore right-wing and racist militias, who freely use the symbols of the Confederacy to symbolise their own cause.

Indeed, the Civil War is rarely out of the news, be it for controversy over statues commemorating Confederate leaders or famous generals or, most recently, for the long-standing naming of a small number of US military bases after rebel commanders.

In the wake of George Floyd's killing and the wave of protests that have followed, the questioning of the visibility of the Confederate's public heritage has reached a new intensity.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: elizabethwarren; fauxahontas; massachusetts; slingingbull
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat
“This is ALL coming right out of our universities, if we don’t start taking back our education systems this will get worse we need to defund these universities PERIOD!!”

This.

21 posted on 06/11/2020 8:58:58 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“America’s dark past.”
Hypocritical BBC A$$holes; like Britain didn’t profit from slavery.

“Oppression, disproportionate poverty and racism persist to this day” -Jonathan Marcus

OK, jerkwad, show us.
Even if that were true is is because of scum leftist race hustlers like you.


22 posted on 06/11/2020 9:04:10 PM PDT by A strike (" Was that wrong? Should I not have done this? " - Costanza)
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To: BenLurkin

Forget the past. The future looks very dark.


23 posted on 06/11/2020 9:06:12 PM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They do know those bases were named while their hero, Woodrow Wilson, was President, right?


24 posted on 06/11/2020 9:07:16 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: HighSierra5

Yes it does.


25 posted on 06/11/2020 9:10:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of And justfact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: dfwgator

I recall in the sixties half of the Communist Party USA’s revenue came from dues paid by FBI informants. At events where they had undercover agents you could spot them because they were the only guys with dry-cleaned jeans.


26 posted on 06/11/2020 9:11:49 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (So Long Obie)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“to this day, more than 150 years after the conflict ended.”

1860: 4.1 million African-American
2020: close to 40 million


27 posted on 06/11/2020 9:14:27 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (QE 2020. All Quiet on the Western Front)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Manchurian Education

With boys Ritali-zed first.


28 posted on 06/11/2020 9:17:51 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (QE 2020. All Quiet on the Western Front)
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To: Varsity Flight

heard one BBC reporter talking to some Dem operative during the week and the BBC guy said (paraphrasing): “but there are still Confederate monuments standing”.

don’t trust the Beeb. they have an agenda too.


29 posted on 06/11/2020 9:18:24 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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I don’t have a problem with this so STFU


30 posted on 06/11/2020 9:25:13 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: headstamp 2

Naw

Watch “Paris Blues” with Sidney Poiter and Paul Newman.

Very different attitudes at that time.

Eddie Cook:
Look. Here, nobody says, “Eddie Cook, negro musician.” They say, “Eddie Cook, musician,” period. And that’s all I want to be.

Connie Lampson:
And that’s what you are here.

Eddie Cook:
That’s what I am here. Musician, period. And I don’t have to prove anything else.

Connie Lampson:
Like what?

Eddie Cook:
Like: Because I’m negro I’m different. Because I’m negro I’m not different. I’m different. I’m not different. Who cares? Look, I don’t have to prove either case. Can you understand that?

Connie Lampson:
There isn’t a place on the face of the Earth that isn’t hell for somebody. Some race, some color, some sex.

Eddie Cook:
For me, Paris is just fine.


31 posted on 06/11/2020 9:31:11 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Im Yankee blood ..ten generation..I've debate here with neo Confederate many time... the men that spilled each other blood forgave each other.. so leave it be

The irony is the North fought to save the Union..and to that end recognize the veterans of the south

and now left want to destroy it

32 posted on 06/11/2020 9:58:06 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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>> America’s “dark” past

Dark as in black?

GTH, Jonathan Marcus, ya’ pathetic rat.


33 posted on 06/11/2020 10:01:01 PM PDT by Gene Eric ( Don't be a statist!)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

I haven’t, but I respect and appreciate what you have done.


34 posted on 06/11/2020 10:19:58 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~~Trump 2020 and again in 2024. EPSTEIN WAS MURDERED. "Seditious Conspiracy" is everywhere.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The BBC. LOL.

They are the CNN or the LSDNBC of the UK.

As for the British, they have no room to be criticizing the past of any country. They need to study their own history.


35 posted on 06/11/2020 10:21:10 PM PDT by CrimsonTidegirl (“Welcome Down to my Planet Hell”- Nightwish)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“I take this tyrannical Taliban-like history erasing personally.”

From some future conversation...

Teacher: We must always remember the horrors of slavery

Student: What was slavery and who did these horrors?

Teacher: Those who did these things have been stricken from all recorded history never to be remembered.

Student: OH! Then what is it we must remember and how do we even know it ever happened?


36 posted on 06/11/2020 10:40:57 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Removing Confederate statues from public places isn’t going to erase the history of The Civil War and what the Confederacy did to America. If the modern day Confederates feel so strongly about the statues then they should buy a piece of property and put all the statues they want on it. Or put themselves between the mobs and their beloved statues.

I don’t support vandalism, rioting and lawlessness or the destruction of a Confederate statue. I do support their removal and I have the right to my opinion. Never forget what the Confederacy sought to achieve. They and their supporters split this nation in two and caused the greast loss of life in American history. I don’t see anything honorable in that.


37 posted on 06/11/2020 11:50:04 PM PDT by jmacusa (If we're all equal how is diversity our strength?)
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To: madison10

“Leftists think they are striking at the heart of President Trump’s base destroying statues”

They are likely pleasantly stunned that it was so easy. They suffered more injures from falling statues than law enforcement or outraged citizens.


38 posted on 06/12/2020 12:14:42 AM PDT by Swirl
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Oh no not our ‘dark past’. You mean what was the greatest country on earth?

How about the worlds ‘dark past’? How about Africa’s ‘dark past’ Opsie, is that racist?


39 posted on 06/12/2020 3:00:25 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Horse hockey


40 posted on 06/12/2020 4:33:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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