Posted on 05/31/2020 2:08:16 PM PDT by Morgana
Shocking new surveillance video appears to show George Floyd in a violent struggle with Minneapolis police before his death.
Floyd can't be seen in the footage, but one cop can be seen leaning through the back door and visibly struggling with him.
The clip was posted by activist Shaun King, who wrote: 'BREAKING: Just got this new video. It’s all coming together. Police were in the car beating the sh** out of George Floyd. One stands watch, while the others attacked him.'
Later, white officer Derek Chauvin was captured on video by a bystander kneeling on Floyd's neck as he begged for air.
Floyd, 46, fell unconscious and died, and Chauvin, 44, has since been charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter, which are filed in cases of unintentional death.
Chauvin also was accused of ignoring another officer who expressed concerns about Floyd, a black man, as he lay handcuffed on the ground.
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I just read 250+ responses, and did some checking of my own...
He was compliant even after being handcuffed (although he did resist a bit), when the officers started taking him to the police cruiser, he stated that he was “claustrophobic”, and started resisting. The coroner report states that he had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. Having been in the health field for many years, his excitement at being put in a police car put in motion all of his health conditions, none of which the police were aware of, however not being able to breath while still standing would be common with a hypertensive episode, with CAD complications, and as any meds out there would surmise, he was probably having a heart complication. As he continued resisting, it would naturally elevate his heart rate, and exacerbate an already stressful situation. Again, the police did not know his condition, but called for an ambulance at that time (wise move), he fought his way out of the cruiser, and two other officers were called and helped wrestle him to the ground. They are taught to control the head.
““It used to be a training method used quite a bit. The reason was it was, was if you can control the head you can control the body,” Masson said.
Masson is a former Minneapolis Park police officer who now teaches law enforcement training. With just a short video clip to go on, Masson said some context may be missing. But she said officers are taught to be careful of the neck and back.
“We would teach that but once the person was under control, the threat was stopped, then we would release that move,” Masson said.”
Again, control the head, you control the body. We know more now than we did, it appears that the officers responded as trained.
IMO, if there is fault, it is in their training. This was a very large, very strong, combative man. It is not surprising that it took 4 officers to restrain him, nor is it unlikely that they would release him short of an ambulance arriving to take him to the hospital.
Its a sad outcome, but I see no wrong doing, an am sad for the family, and even more sad for the Officers who I think feel very betrayed by their superiors, and the Mayors office. We need to back the Officers, teach the public to follow their directions, and much can be avoided IMO.
https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1266460328541523968
https://news.yahoo.com/tennessee-police-chief-had-message-171855073.html
If you’re talking about the Asian officer, I don’t see him move out of camera range. I’ve watched it several times. When the one officer who is leaning into the vehicle leaves to head around to the other side of the vehicle, that officer goes to shut the door, then the Asian officer takes a hold of the door and starts leaning into it, but then another cop comes back on that side, and closes the vehicle door. Then as the Asian guy is turning to walk around the back of the vehicle, the video abruptly stops. That’s all I see.
“Again, the police did not know his condition, “
The knew he was nonresponsive, had voided his bladder and had no pulse. WTF!
Nobody, no cop knows ahead of time, the medical problems that a person may have, that they may end up restraining. Thank HIPPA laws for that.
No two tells the other guy right before he stops and moves. Watch Tao notice the camera
I agree there are people on here that condemn too quickly (at times I’m one of them :), but there’s no reason to put a knee into someones neck. If the arrestee is pretty much calm and composed and there are other officers around to assist, enough is enough. Why Officer Chauvin did that is beyond me. It not only added to the resultant death of Floyd, but Chauvin ruined his own life as well.
“Again, control the head, you control the body. We know more now than we did, it appears that the officers responded as trained.”
LOL! No officer is taught to keep a deadly old on after a person goes unconscious.
Procedures mandate immediate release of such holds.
No it wasn't. That neck restraint procedure is taught to all Minneapolis police officers. It's part of their training. Articles about this have been posted on FR. Do a search on the internet. A retired Hennepin County police trainer said it's an approved procedure, and he taught it. Frankly, I don't understand how any police agency teaches that, or any kind of neck hold that could result in death. It's only asking for trouble. Police officers, correctional officers, etc., are not privy to personal medical records when they have to restrain someone. Blame HIPPA for that.
I saw him notice the camera, and say something. He didn’t move out of camera range.
“Nobody, no cop knows ahead of time, the medical problems that a person may have, that they may end up restraining”
That is why cops are trained to respond to symptoms. This cop didn’t even respond when the guy died.
“No it wasn’t. That neck restraint procedure is taught to all Minneapolis police officers. “
Read their procedure. What this cop did was unauthorized.
"when you find you're agreeing with the majority, its time to stop, and reflect."
Another officers take. I believe we need a whole lot of more officers like this.
With thanks to HollyB for posting this to me.
This was posted on FB
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“ I feel like I do a very good job at keeping my personal opinions to myself. However with this, I cannot.
The George Floyd incident.
I want to apologize in advance to anyone that may be offended or disagree with what I am going to say. These statements are my own opinion and in no way reflect the opinions of any department(s) or other officers - just myself:
As an Officer, this deeply hurts my heart. I want those who read this to know that there are MANY officers shaking their heads in disappointment right now. We are people too and we know when something is wrong.
I’ve been blessed to work for a department that has religiously preached, “Once the cuffs are on, the fight is over.”
I’ve had several situations where a fight will continue after the cuffs have been placed on an arrestee but, that’s not what I mean by my previous statement.
What I meant by my statement is this:
Regardless of the crime, once a person is in handcuffs you have to treat them accordingly. There is zero need to continuously use force unless you ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO; to maintain the arrestee’s safety, surrounding citizen’s safety, other officer’s saftey, or your own safety. I do not feel or see an immediate threat here.
As Officers, we’ve all been taught that once we have someone in custody, that arrestee essentially becomes our “baby”. At that point, we are required to take care of that person until they are passed through a chain of custody (hospital, intake center, juvenile center). We are fully responsible for that person because we have essentially taken their freedoms of movement and decisions away. That person now falls on our hands. We MUST take care of that person.
If someone is saying, “I can’t breathe!” It’s the job of the officer to make sure that person CAN breathe. If someone says, “I need medical attention” or they complain of pain, it’s the job of the Officer to see that the arrestee receives the proper medical attention he/she is entitled to.
If you see that your subject is not awake or breathing, you better stop and immediately revert to your other job training skill of being a life saver instead of a law enforcer. If you can’t do that, you damn sure better call someone who can (EMS, Fire, or another trained officer).
Yes, I have had to use force on people while they’re in handcuffs. However, I have not drove my knee in to someone’s neck for the duration of 10 minutes. There’s thousands of ways to control someone. They’re just as effective but, not nearly as dangerous. The force used did not fit the severity of the crime that was claimed to have been committed.
If you’re okay with this use of force on someone who is handcuffed, I personally feel you need to take one of these courses of action:
1) Turn in your badge before you tarnish it for the rest of us.
That’s it, that’s the only course of action you should and need to take.
I read a comment earlier in a thread where a person stated, “Well what if he had a gun before this and that’s why they’re doing it?”
Well, the fact of that matter is that he DID NOT and the “what if” game is absolutely asinine in this situation. Even if he did, once in custody....we are going to revert back to a comment I made earlier....”the fight is over.”
I’ve arrested countless people who have used weapons in the commission of violent crimes. I’ve also arrested people who have pointed weapons directly at me.
After a person is in handcuffs, it DOES NOT matter what happened before the arrest. I’m sorry but, it just doesn’t. I’m sure plenty of officers will disagree with me and I’m sure some will even refuse to work with me over that statement. Events that happen before a subject is placed in to custody does not give anyone the right to batter, beat, or suffocate the arrestee once they are secured in handcuffs. Any different logic of thinking is absolutely WRONG in this line of work. Any Officer with integrity and morals will tell you that.
Thankfully, I’ve been blessed to work with Officers and for a department that teaches and thinks this way as well.
Does that mean I’m going to drop my guard with the arrestee? Absolutely not. I still have a job to do and that person is going to jail for a reason. Make no mistake, I know how to do my job and I know complacency will kill you in this line of work. Does that mean placing your full body-weight on someone’s neck for 10 minutes is appropriate? HELL NO.
There’s a thousand other ways that man could’ve been kept under control. All are less dangerous and just as, if not MORE, effective.
I know this is going to resurface debates on police & prejudice. Let me say to you all...
I am sincerely sorry.
I see this video and I empathize with you. I understand why you are so frustrated. I know I am not African American so, I would never try to act like I’ve been in your shoes before. That would be terribly disrespectful. But, please hear what I have to say...
I have personally never worked with a prejudice police officer. In fact, some of my favorite zone/beat partners are African American and they are FANTASTIC people/officers. I work with wonderful officers who are gay or bisexual. I work with wonderful officers of all races, religions, sexes and creeds - all of them are absolutely amazing. The color of your skin, the person you love, the God you worship does not define what kind of person you are. Most police officers realize this and do not use those factors as leverage to form an unfair or biased opinion on the individuals they are called to assist/help/arrest. We are taught to be fair and impartial at all times. That is extremely important to myself and all the officers I work with. Many officers realize that we are only people; we just wear a different uniform to work. We all wake up and put our pants on the same way (unless you do some funky ass way but, that’s a conversation for a different time, ya big weirdo). We all bleed red. We all die. We all get buried in a six foot hole. We are all human-beings.
Most officers are extremely humble; we realize that we are no better than the people we interact with on a day-to-day basis. After all, we work for a specific city and the citizens who live in that city. We can’t properly work for the citizens if we walk around believing that we are better than them. That’s not how this job works. We have to be open and willing to listen to all your problems, concerns, worries, and questions. With that said, I can also say I HEAR YOU, I SEE YOU, I CARE ABOUT YOU. I see and understand why you are all concerned. I’m here to help alleviate those concerns for you. We, as the police, are here to help you, not harm you. We genuinely care about you, all of you.”
How could the officer controlling the head possibly know that he had voided his bladder?
Further, the purpose of controlling the head was to stop the perp from fighting, to him, he had stopped fighting, how could he know at that time that the perp had died?
He did not have vitals, was not in a position to check, and once notified, others checked on his wrist. This is moments in an otherwise long struggle.
Nobody yelled that he was dead, yet, the officer removed the neck restraint.
When he was put in the ambulance, even at that point, they were not aware of his condition, and in fact did not find out until later when the Hospital declared his death.
We don’t know at this time if he was alive when he arrived at the hospital, died in route, or after being worked on.
We do know that he had many legitimate reasons to have died on his own, from his body failing from Pre-Existing conditions, again exacerbated by his combative behavior.
“That’s not a position to keep someone in very long anyway. If you have someone in a prone position and they are restrained, get them on their side as quickly as possible. That’s generally what you do when the handcuffs are applied,” Masson said.
How. long did the cop keep him in that position?
“That’s not a position to keep someone in very long anyway. If you have someone in a prone position and they are restrained, get them on their side as quickly as possible. That’s generally what you do when the handcuffs are applied,” Masson said.
How. long did the cop keep him in that position?
“That’s not a position to keep someone in very long anyway. If you have someone in a prone position and they are restrained, get them on their side as quickly as possible. That’s generally what you do when the handcuffs are applied,” Masson said.
How. long did the cop keep him in that position?
I posted a link Friday night to a professor at Univ of South Carolina who specializes in researching police use of force. He said neck restraints are in only of a few remaining departments. In Cal they were prohibited after the LAPD broke a man’s windpipe with the forearm bar across his throat. Even carotid pressure wa prohibited.
If MN allowed and taught this, they will have to answer in court, why weren’t they using “best practice.” When a man is cuffed and there are 4 officers, assumedly with tasers, there is no reason i can imagine for neck pressure for 5 minutes or so.
“No it wasn’t. That neck restraint procedure is taught to all Minneapolis police officers. It’s part of their training. “
Read their procedure for neck holds and we can continue.
No I mean he told the other guy “camera” twice and then the tall cop moved out of “camera range” to the other side of the car
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