Posted on 05/30/2020 8:33:23 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
Anyone who brings up “Russian interference” can be instantly ignored. How many votes were changed by Facebook ads?
It’s a Deep State riot, still burning.
Thank you for such a clear, concise refutation of the democrat talking point that innocent people don't plead guilty in federal cases. Of course innocent people do, they're forced to by lawfare. That's how the feds get a 95% conviction rate.
You are so much NICER than I am.
Flynn lied because he fell for the FBI's trap to get him fired. Once in, it snowballed on him and "son of a b" he got fired. Then Mueller came along and certainly DID threaten to investigate his son because his son was participating on Reddit or something like that supposedly wielding info he shouldn't have had.
All in all it kind of worked like an "insurance policy" of sorts.
Timeline of Events:
A timeline of the events that led to the national-security adviser’s resignation
I believe what happened was this:
It was not illegal for Flynn to call Kislyak.
However, for some reason when asked about the call(s) Flynn panicked; likely because when asked he wasn't sure it was legal or illegal.
That was his mistake. Instead of just admitting he made the call he panicked and denied making the call.
The lie became worse than the original call.
What does guilt or innocence and Flynn’s son have anything to do with the obamanation attacking anyone who is a threat to them.
We already know Mueller would send innocent men to jail to protect whitey bulger
How do you interpret Flynn’s Grand Jury testimony? Here it is:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.150.2.pdf
I interpret it to mean he was working for the Turkish government. But maybe it only means he was working for Turkish interests who were working on behalf of the Turkish government.
Or maybe it means he was working for private Turkish interests on a matter of huge political interest to the Turkish government (Gulen). Does it make a difference?
How do you interpret Flynn’s Grand Jury testimony? Here it is:
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.150.2.pdf
I interpret it to mean he was working for the Turkish government. But maybe it only means he was working for Turkish interests who were working on behalf of the Turkish government.
Or maybe it means he was working for private Turkish interests on a matter of huge political interest to the Turkish government (Gulen). Does it make a difference?
First, answer how Arthur Anderson was destroyed by the United States government for a crime that was made up? How did that happen?
Second, show me the original 302 report for his interview, not the one altered by Peter Strozk. These conversations with Kislyak don’t include the word “sanction”.
DOJ altered evidence against Carter Page, they are the liars. Why did they do that?
FBI was closing the case against Flynn because of no derogatory information, meaning he was innocent, and even if he did lie, it did not cross the threshold of materiality, since there was no valid investigation, as the FBI admitted, they were fishing.
The FBI has violated ethics, and has shown severe bias against Flynn, so it is difficult to take their word.
Government dropped those ridiculous Turkey charges.
you are completely missing my point. I absolutely agree Flynn was targeted, framed and lied about by Mueller and the FBI.
My issue - if he had not pled guilty, but instead had fought them, the wretched deep-state coup attempt would have had a major speed bump. They bankrupted and destroyed his life anyway. At least he would still have his honor.
I agree 100% with your interpretation of events, and TY for the timeline, which should clarify things for a lot of people.
The “panic” interpretation makes perfect sense, but if true does not speak well about Flynn in several ways.
Trump realized that Flynn’s lie was stupid but minor, and VSG characteristically was very gracious to Flynn.
Flynn has handled this situation about as stupidly as a person could handle it, and his crowning stupidity was to hire Powell, who has not the faintest idea how to effectively represent a client, and who has possibly made Flynn’s position far worse.
Hindsight is always 20/20
That was not my point at all. My point is that Flynn was a paid representative of the Turkish government or interests representing the Turkish government, at the same time he was on the Trump campaign.
I never said what he did was illegal. It was stupid, selfish, and reckless toward Donald Trump and his supporters.
Do you agree that a very prominent person with foreign policy credentials should be offering his services to ANY foreign government while campaigning for Trump? Or do you think it is stupid, and the sort of reckless, selfish act a person would take if he had little or no respect for Trump and Trump supporters?
I TOTALLY understand the enthusiastic support for Flynn, I just think it is very misguided, and has reached a level where people cannot see what is what.
Here is a timeline some other poster linked to on this thread:
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2017/02/flynn-resigns-timeline/516594/
The FBI did not make Flynn lie to Pence. Flynn lied to Pence. And it was Flynn’s lie to Pence which re-started the whole investigation.
And TBH, the fact that Flynn lied to Pence is so bizarre, a reasonable person would wonder what the motivation was.
Maybe he lied out of panic, or he lied because he is a habitual liar, or maybe there was something more sinister, but a reasonable person could not be faulted for wanting to know why.
Cant help it.......I’m just a nice person....chuckle.
“Flynn lied because he fell for the FBI’s trap to get him fired. Once in, it snowballed on him and “son of a b” he got fired.”
One of the weird things about this case is, why did a smart, savvy, connected, hard-ass guy like Flynn say a single word to an FBI agent. I know better than that and have for years.
For the few FREEPERS who don’t know that you never talk to the police, please watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH_nP8pX4Fg
I think he wrote an op-ed in favor of a Turkish cleric that they wanted repatriated, it was not a huge deal. Many govt officials and military folks take these jobs as lobbyists from Giuliani to Bill Clinton. It is common, but not really discussed. Do I think Flynn was betraying people for doing this, no I don’t. Do I think this is highly selectivized and politically motivated prosecution - that I surely do. It was not a crime and was dropped for both Flynn and his partner.
The main sin is taking the media’s word about anything a Republican has done. Like the Logan Act or it’s demented step son, the FARA prosecution - these are bullshit, yet they were the legal mainstay for Mueller’s attack against Flynn and his son. The willing DNC media conjured the bullshit into Flynn was spying for Turkey. It was really petty what Flynn did and not a crime. Be careful what you read, they are always lying.
Podesta’s brother was guilty of a FARA violation, but Mueller nor the FBI didn’t pursue it.
Frankly, everything said and done about Flynn is suspect, since he had committed no crime yet they have a process crime, from people who are biased liars. The press also lied about Flynn to destroy both he and Trump and to help the DNC.
At this point I don’t trust anything negative about Flynn because the government has effectively admitted it has conducted a grotesque smear campaign to destroy him.
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