Posted on 05/17/2020 6:01:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
It's all about protecting others
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We asked Steven Gordon, MD, Chairman of Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Infectious Disease, and pulmonologist Raed Dweik, MD, Chairman of Cleveland Clinic’s Respiratory Institute, about the science around these masks and why wearing them is important.
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“There is evidence that such masks reduce the exhaled aerosols from infectious, but asymptomatic, individuals.” he says. By blocking the exhale of virus particles in to the air around you, your mask is keeping the virus from spreading.
Additionally, the masks serve as a really helpful physical barrier when you cough or sneeze. “Those actions can propel this cloud of droplets from you up to 25 or 26 feet,” he says. Your mask can “disrupt” that cloud and keep those virus particles from traveling.
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(Excerpt) Read more at health.clevelandclinic.org ...
She is so considerate of other people’s health.
Complete & utter horseshit.
Because they are standing over open incisions. If they suddenly sneeze it’s a lot more serious and unsanitary than droplets on your skin.
J R Soc Med. 2015 Jun; 108(6): 223–228. doi:10.1177/0141076815583167
PMCID: PMC4480558\PMID: 26085560
Unmasking the surgeons: the evidence base behind the use of facemasks in surgery
The use of surgical facemasks is ubiquitous in surgical practice. Facemasks have long been thought to confer protection to the patient from wound infection and contamination from the operating surgeon and other members of the surgical staff. More recently, protection of the theatre staff from patient-derived blood/bodily fluid splashes has also been offered as a reason for their continued use. In light of current NHS budget constraints and cost-cutting strategies, we examined the evidence base behind the use of surgical facemasks.
Examination of the literature revealed much of the published work on the matter to be quite dated and often studies had poorly elucidated methodologies. As a result, we recommend caution in extrapolating their findings to contemporary surgical practice. However, overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination. More rigorous contemporary research is needed to make a definitive comment on the effectiveness of surgical facemasks....
snip...It is important not to construe an absence of evidence for effectiveness with evidence for the absence of effectiveness. While there is a lack of evidence supporting the effectiveness of facemasks, there is similarly a lack of evidence supporting their ineffectiveness. With the information currently available, it would be imprudent to recommend the removal of facemasks from surgery. Instead, in the medical field where common practice can so easily become dogma, it is necessary to recognise the constant need to maintain a healthy scepticism towards established beliefs and to periodically re-evaluate and critically assess their scientific merit.
Just wanted to make sure that we are all on the same page re: masks and savers people saying they are useless.
First, prior to COVID-19, when I traveled to one of our client sites which is a hospital, I saw RNs, etc wearing masks. I asked one why she was wearing a mask and she said because she did not get the flu shot. If you don’t get the shot at that hospital, you are required to wear a mask.
Second, if going through chemo, and let’s talk about leukemia, suggestions are made for the patient to wear a mask.
“How to Care for a Loved One With Leukemia”
- see https://health.clevelandclinic.org/7-tips-caring-someone-leukemia/
So are we all on the same page, that first, masks are useless to wear for health care professionals who don’t get the flu shot?
Second, are we all on the same page that masks are useless to wear for cancer patients at various stages of their treatment (e.g. going through chemo), etc?
apparently they haven’t heard of a handkerchief
If we had been using masks in early March or as soon as the virus was located in each of our areas, we probably could have avoided a shut down.
We didn't. There was a mask storage. The Surgeon General put out bad information to try to save the masks for health care workers. And they've been back tracking ever since.
“If masks work, why are we shut down?
If masks work why are caregivers etc using plastic shields when around Covid-19?”
Why must there be there nothing between perfection and useless? Quit the false dichotemy crap. I think the word is “helpful.”
That, and the persons at risk stay home. This virus affects so few people. We know now who that is. To behave like everyone is at risk is fear mongering stupidity.
I'm neither stupid nor arrogant. I just despise ignorant tyranny. Why don't YOU tell all the doctors who advise that it is unhealthy for people to walk around wearing masks and those who have studied and found that masks do NOT prevent the spread of viruses that they are wrong, including Dr. Infallible Fauci? I'll go ahead and copy Danny on this, too.
Bunkum. It suppresses the immune system and can cause hypercapnia.
Dear Dannytoons,
Do something useful for all of us mask denying ignoramuses and let us know when the W.H.O. reverses their august and learned proclamations and starts to recommend mask wearing! ‘Til then, bugger off with this third grade silliness, mate.
A Walmart bag and duct tape.
Never get the virus
Yes, and like the infernal troll he is he comes here to get his jollies baiting people who are genuinely concerned about their loss of rights and personal freedom.
Blaylock is not the only physician calling humbug on masks. There was a study in 2015 that I linked to above, that was unable to substantiate the benefit of surgical masks.
Many studies have been run over the last decade and the benefit of surgical masks has not been demonstrated.
Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound ...
https://www.cochrane.org/CD002929/WOUNDS_disposable-surgical-face-masks-preventing-surgical-wound-infection-clean-surgery
Apr 26, 2016 ... All three studies showed that wearing a face mask during surgery neither increases nor decreases the number of wound infections occurring ..
Anesthesia personnel are no longer required to wear disposable face masks in the operating room, a practice approved by our surgical colleagues. Surgeons, their assistants, and scrub nurses are still required to wear masks. Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist, and studies to establish differences in infection rates with or without face masks will likely be difficult to design and implement given the small potential effect.
https://anesthesiology.pubs.asahq.org/article.aspx?articleid=2085803
Hypercapnia is not "helpful". If masks aren't "perfection", they're useless. And harmful.
It certainly appears that way. Most of us are concerned with preserving liberty, not branding ourselves as sheep.
Geez, dude. Give it a rest.
That’s paranoid projection.
A lot of people wear the masks, and appreciate others doing so, because they actually believe there is some value in it; and because they’ve been asked to do so by their local governments. Complying isn’t a sign of anything except a willingness to temporarily follow guidelines that they find logical.
Most of the people who have been willing to wear masks are NOT surrendering to anything, nor weak, or ‘cucked’. (By the way - your use of the slang term ‘Cuckery’ for the state of being ‘cuckolded’ isn’t exactly appropriate in this context.)
But I guess all those people just aren’t as smart, paranoid, and emotionally reactive and easily fired-up as you are.
Listen to your own link by Dr. Fauci. The first thing Fauci says is that Masks are important to prevent spread from someone who is infections. And he is concerned about medical masks being available for health care workers.
I want the reopenings to be successful. We need to nip this virus in the bud. And masks will help do this. It's not a permanent thing. And people with medical conditions or kids 2 and under shouldn't wear them.
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