Posted on 05/17/2020 6:01:48 PM PDT by DannyTN
It's all about protecting others
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We asked Steven Gordon, MD, Chairman of Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Infectious Disease, and pulmonologist Raed Dweik, MD, Chairman of Cleveland Clinic’s Respiratory Institute, about the science around these masks and why wearing them is important.
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“There is evidence that such masks reduce the exhaled aerosols from infectious, but asymptomatic, individuals.” he says. By blocking the exhale of virus particles in to the air around you, your mask is keeping the virus from spreading.
Additionally, the masks serve as a really helpful physical barrier when you cough or sneeze. “Those actions can propel this cloud of droplets from you up to 25 or 26 feet,” he says. Your mask can “disrupt” that cloud and keep those virus particles from traveling.
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(Excerpt) Read more at health.clevelandclinic.org ...
Who are you to suggest they’re telling objective truth?
You’re suggesting these doctors are Trump voters?
Or, are they Progressives, bent on winning at any cost?
Well put! My thinking is, those who have no concern about spreading the virus, don’t even concern themselves with the figures. They will only have concern when it happens to them. Then, they want the doc to tell them, what chance they have for dying.
I guess if someone was marginal, they may re-ingest exhaled virus and really, really get sick....
You can't make your point without ignorant, baseless insults of me? My level of "intellectual capacity" is unknown to you, and what you imagine is my "narrow biased view" is simply hatred for what is being done to our country. As for the health care workers, did you consider that they might now be ordered to wear those masks? I've been in hospitals and have seen that before this flu-like virus hysteria, most of them didn't wear them.
LOL
Or one that says Kung Flu
My original comment to Danny was harsh, and I wish I had not said anything here, and instead just ignored this post, as I ignore most of this kind. I'm just so sickened by what the commies are doing to our nation, under the guise of "safety," and it greatly irks me to see people on "our side" defending the despotism.
It’s just a symbol to keep everyone aware of the crisis we are in. And to follow orders without thought.
One more thought. If we are separated by six feet why do we need a mask? Of course in one is engaged in a spitting contest I guess it would help.
The mask is to prevent the wearer from inflicting the virus on me
A mask is required because a person may be a carrier and not know it
Having said that, the threat in most of the country is such that masks do nothing
I'm hearing on the news it's more like 25 or 26 miles.
Garbage:
“There is evidence that such masks reduce the exhaled aerosols from infectious, but asymptomatic, individuals.” he says.”
Writers all over the media landscape have been merely repeating each other, one after the other as if repetition equals truth. They heard it said in some “reputable” journal so they repeat it in their piece, doing no due diligence of their own.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/
From the above link:
“We performed a systematic review of published studies describing the relationship between viral shedding and disease transmission. Based on the available literature, we found that there is scant, if any, evidence that asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals play an important role in influenza transmission. As such, recent articles concerning pandemic planning, some using transmission modeling, may have overestimated the effect of presymptomatic or asymptomatic influenza transmission. More definitive transmission studies are sorely needed.”
And no symptomatic studies at all concerning this issue with the Wuhan Virus all have been done. And a few lab experiments in lab environments on such an issue do not make a real world study, which in its analysis the NIH acknowledged already.
We have article after article repeating an unproven assumption that viral shedding is taking place at a rate and volume in the asymptomatic that makes their very breath a contagious medium. Statements like that are unfounded conjecture using unproven assumptions.
Did you follow the blue links in the articles to the studies?
My only point was in reference to the infectiousness of the asymptomatic, not to masking in general.
They want everyone to mask because (a) there are assumptions they have made about the asymptomatic, and (b) they assume (guilt by association) that most anyone could be asymptomatic, while (c) the same sorts of people say so few people have actually been infected when even some antibody tests find maybe only 10% show contact with the virus. So in the former everyone is dangerous, and then in the latter MOST people actually are not.
But it is all not about what’s true and sure. It’s about social training to be rule followers first and thinkers not at all.
I have no problem with the idea of the masks in general. My problem with the U.S. governors, unlike Sweden, is the governors place universal rules on the table with no room to put any requirement in context, or to understand certain contexts might be very important and some contexts not important at all. Realizing that and using your brain is not what they want folks to do. It’s sheeple not people they want.
“and it is surfaces that lead to the vast majority of transference not aerosols. Period.”
I could not find it stated anywhere that it is “SURFACES that lead to the vast majority of transference...”
I did find a May 12 Scientific American article that repeated CDC and WHO position that droplets from cough and sneezing from someone near to someone else is main mode...which a mask might guard against...
I suppose I could re-listen to every Trump briefing in March and April again as I recall both Fauci and Birx making the statements I’m repeating here ... but ... nah.
I also lack any recordings of my family doctor father, who passed in 1985, but the fact that surfaces are the main vector was well-impressed on me from years of repetition.
Believe whatever you like. Just don’t expect me to comply.
But Bert, the mask that best protects you (if any actually does) is your own, not someone else’s.
You certainly don’t have to comply...However, you sort of positioned yourself as very definitive..using words ‘vast majority’ and “Period,” for emphasis.
I would have been interested in a link because I am sterilizing every package coming in my house; it is getting very tiresome, but if there is proof that package surfaces are responsible for the vast majority of transmissions, I will continue to be very vigilant.
I watched many pressers early on, and I don’t remember anyone saying “and it is surfaces that lead to the vast majority of transference not aerosols. Period.” Sorry.
What concerns tho me is when things are posted as fact with no evidence...Fine...it is your opinion or belief, but not substantiated fact...So some people may read it and think they don’t need to worry about distancing, masks, etc. because you have indicated it transmits primarily thru surfaces...(BTW, most experts seem to indicate it is transmitted primarily thru droplets from coughs and sneezing...)
Many here don’t like the CDC, and they certainly do screw up, but a new study seems to indicate lower percentages from surface transmission...not that I trust it, but it is interesting and if accurate, perhaps a little reassuring
that if I miss a spot when sterilizing a package, I will be OK:
I am sure your doctor/father was correct about the virus cases he diagnosed and treated and how they were transmitted...However, perhaps this likely bio-engineered new coronavirus is very different from those of the 70s and 80s...For example, coronavirus can transmit asymptomatically, it can infect thru eyes, some suspect aerosol transmission, it affects many body organs, is found in body waste, is infecting some kids who later get Kawasaki Syndrome, etc...IMHO, It is not normal flu virus.
Frankly, I don’t believe we have all the facts on this virus~many conflicting studies,...so I am going to assume it is transmissible by all methods I mentioned...Oh and I also believe in masks...preferably N95...I have a family member doing grad work in infectious diseases/infection control who works in test lab—I will take their opinion.
Have a nice evening.
I wouldn’t worry too much about cardboard packages. I don’t think viruses survive very long on cardboard. More relevant, Everyone in the shipping chain, from “store” to shipping plant to drivers are employing every means possible to prevent contaminating them at this point in time.
Finally, your best defense in this regard is to open the package, remove contents and put the shipping carton wherever you put shipping cartons and go wash your hands. Problem solved with that step alone.
As far as the aerosol vs. surfaces debate please consider the contrast between these two typical public interactions ...
How often have you found yourself within six feet of a person who is coughing or sneezing?
Now, how often do you touch a surface in public such as a handrail, door handle, shopping cart etc. and how many people have touched that surface since it was last properly disinfected? That is your number of potential infectious contacts vs. one contact from the cougher/sneezer within six feet of you.
On Twitter, my sister posted a picture of the disclaimer on a box of the “normal” masks that people use. It clearly says that it won’t protect from viruses.
One genius tweeted a response, “Then why do we use them?”
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