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$1.6T in century-old Chinese bonds offer Trump unique leverage against Beijing
Fox Business ^ | May 14 2020 | Jonathan Garber

Posted on 05/14/2020 10:51:36 AM PDT by knighthawk

As the Trump administration seeks ways to penalize China for its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, it need look no further than Tennessee.

The Lewisburg, Tennessee-based American Bondholder Foundation holds $1.6 trillion of century-old Chinese debt, including interest, dating to before the founding of the communist People’s Republic of China, that it wants the administration's help in redeeming. There is an estimated $6 trillion or more of the debt outstanding worldwide.

The bonds were issued by the Republic of China -- which ousted the imperial government in a coup -- as far back as 1912 and backed by gold; they were defaulted on in 1938. The ROC government fled to Taiwan, where it remains the official ruling body, after Mao Zedong’s communist party took over following the 1949 end of the revolution.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; bonds; china; chinesebonds; coronavirus; covid19; kag; maga; pandemic; sars2cov; trump
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1 posted on 05/14/2020 10:51:36 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk; null and void; aragorn; AZ .44 MAG; Baynative; Beautiful_Gracious_Skies; bgill; bitt; ..
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2 posted on 05/14/2020 10:55:45 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: knighthawk

The Chicoms will say it’s Taiwan’s debt.


3 posted on 05/14/2020 10:56:50 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek

At least it can be used to force China to recognize Taiwan.


4 posted on 05/14/2020 10:58:35 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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To: knighthawk

BINGO!


5 posted on 05/14/2020 11:02:16 AM PDT by yoe (Want to HELP the Slave Trade and Drug Cartels in USA? Vote for a democrat........)
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To: fhayek
The Chicoms will say it’s Taiwan’s debt.

The ChiComs don't acknowledge Taiwan. If they did, Hong Kong would have gone to it.
6 posted on 05/14/2020 11:08:56 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: fhayek
The Chicoms will say it’s Taiwan’s debt.

Or, failing that, find a bunch of Confederate bonds that they want redeemed.

7 posted on 05/14/2020 11:10:10 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: knighthawk
I love it!! China absolutely needs to be defanged. They are a world-wide threat.

It's not just Communism. It's Communism combined with a multi-centuries old cultural belief (by some but not all Chinese citizens) in the superiority of the Middle Kingdom - the ‘Center of the Universe’. Even those Chinese citizens who have become westernized, fear and respect the perceived inevitability of world dominance by the Middle Kingdom.

8 posted on 05/14/2020 11:11:03 AM PDT by neverevergiveup
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To: knighthawk

Mainland China sends us the virus, and some bank wants to fiscally break the non-communist ROC? Could only make the CCP mainlanders happy.


9 posted on 05/14/2020 11:12:37 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: fhayek
The Chicoms will say it’s Taiwan’s debt.

But they also say Taiwan is part of China. Not that I expect them to honor it anyway.

10 posted on 05/14/2020 11:13:30 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: knighthawk

Call in the favors, errrrrrr loans due.

China, it’s time to pay the piper...


11 posted on 05/14/2020 11:14:57 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: DoodleDawg

Yeah, kind of puts them in a pickle.


12 posted on 05/14/2020 11:20:54 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Pearls Before Swine
You beat me to it.

Confederate bonds or confederate money used to turn up on sitcoms, most notably on The Andy Griffith Show, but there were others.

13 posted on 05/14/2020 11:30:29 AM PDT by x
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To: fhayek

They can’t unless they want to give up on their 1-china policy.


14 posted on 05/14/2020 11:32:22 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary that good men do nothing)
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To: knighthawk

There is a well founded belief that if you owe the bank a million dollars and cannot make the payments you are in trouble. But if you owe then bank a billion dollars and cannot pay then it is the bank which is in trouble.

Think about it.


15 posted on 05/14/2020 11:41:04 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Pearls Before Swine

[Or, failing that, find a bunch of Confederate bonds that they want redeemed. ]


Confederate bonds were issued to secure funding to fight the Civil War. The Chinese bonds were issued to build infrastructure, and were technically secured by that infrastructure. The Chinese are still using the infrastructure that those bonds paid for, ranging from utilities to railroads.


16 posted on 05/14/2020 11:48:15 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: billyboy15

That saying used to have ‘million’ in it instead of ‘billion’, inflation changes everything.


17 posted on 05/14/2020 11:48:25 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck ("Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither.")
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To: fhayek

They would then be acknowledging that Taiwan is not China. Not going to happen.


18 posted on 05/14/2020 11:49:31 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: knighthawk

There is a problem here. The United States is also in default of bonds issued prior to 1933. At the time the US was on the gold standard so we were borrowing gold (which was money at the time), and explicitly promised to repay in gold. But when we abandoned the gold standard in 1933 we defaulted on the bonds, returning only paper currency. There are so many countries that have defaulted on debt at time or another, that this is just not going to fly.


19 posted on 05/14/2020 11:50:58 AM PDT by NRx (A man of honor passes his father's civilization to his son without surrendering it to strangers.)
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To: knighthawk
How this could play out: Trump supports collection of the debt. China laughs. Trump says 'you refuse to pay your debt, we take it out of our debt to you. Or we freeze your assets here, which do you prefer?'

Then China cooks up another virus and...

20 posted on 05/14/2020 11:51:31 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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