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2 posted on 05/13/2020 7:37:07 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Are those graphs corrected for population?


6 posted on 05/13/2020 7:38:48 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Seth Rich] == [the Democrats' John Dean])
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To: DannyTN

What a crap graph. China’s numbers are BS. They should not be on there. Masks have been mandatory in NY and NY and they have the highest rate of COVID in the country by far.


7 posted on 05/13/2020 7:39:28 PM PDT by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
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“Informed by the lessons of history,the Constitution was established to safeguard the rights of the people even under the most exigent circumstances. The framers “foresaw that troublous times would arise, when rulers and people would become restive under restraint, and seek by sharp and decisive measures to accomplish ends deemed just and proper; and that the principles of constitutional liberty would be in peril, unless established by irrepealable law. The history of the world had taught them that what was done in the past might be attempted in the future. The Constitution of the United States is a law for rulers and people, equally in war and in peace, and covers with the shield of its protection all classes of men, at all times, and under all circumstances. No doctrine, involving more pernicious consequences, was ever invented by the wit of man than that any of its provisions can be suspended during any of the great exigencies of government. Such a doctrine leads directly to anarchy or despotism, but the theory of necessity on which it is based is false; for the government, within the Constitution, has all the powers granted to it, which are necessary to preserve its existence; as has been happily proved by the result of the great effort to throw off its just authority.” Ex parte Milligan, 71 U.S. 2, 120-21 (1866) (emphasis added). It is especially in times of emergency that we must protect the rights of the people, lest we establish a dangerous precedent empowering less benevolent government officials in the future to oppress the people in the name of exigency. In America THE LAW IS KING! For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other.” Thomas Paine, 1776, Common Sense (1776). In Wisconsin, as in the rest of America, the Constitution is our king——not the governor, not the legislature, not the judiciary, and not a cabinet secretary. We can never “allow fundamental freedoms to be sacrificed in the name of real or perceived exigency” nor risk subjecting the rights of the people to “the mercy of wicked rulers, or the clamor of an excited people.” Fear never overrides the Constitution. Not even in times of public emergencies, not even in a pandemic.”


8 posted on 05/13/2020 7:40:36 PM PDT by TexasGurl24
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To: DannyTN

flawed, needs to have each countries’ populations per cases factored in


11 posted on 05/13/2020 7:45:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: DannyTN

Can someone do a national Study by COUNTY of Covid DEATH % with whether its “D” or “R” County?

I’m willing to bet that most of the TOP % counties are “D” with their ‘killer’ policies of ineffectual Covid treatments and responses.

Democrat policies are actually endangering the health of the citizens.


19 posted on 05/13/2020 7:58:29 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: DannyTN

Pretty worthless chart...not population adjusted.


20 posted on 05/13/2020 7:59:55 PM PDT by Drago
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To: DannyTN

Sweden???


22 posted on 05/13/2020 8:01:13 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: DannyTN; Steely Tom; Antoninus; Secret Agent Man; LibFreeUSA; Drago
You must know that that graph is fallacious as regards an argument for masks, for Over half of all U.S. coronavirus deaths have occurred in just 5 states. The majority of those have occurred in New York State. Of the nearly 80,000 deaths from the virus in this country as of Saturday afternoon, nearly 48,700, or about 60 percent, had occurred in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Which of these states does not advise wearing masks? And in fact, while your (dated? and very selective) chart lists the USA and Germany as being a countries in which wearing masks is not advised, our Fed gov, has advisedjust that, and "on April 22, Germany became the latest European country to make the wearing of face masks compulsory when on public transport and while shopping in all of its 16 states.' (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/countries-wearing-face-masks-compulsory-200423094510867.html) In addition, total deaths is meaningless in this regard, for it is the % of deaths of the whole population that matters. If you want to go by just numbers, than Lesotho wins. Thus you are posting propaganda.

Meanwhile, even 147,000 CV deaths will not suffice to warrant the extreme measure advocated for it, for consider that Asian flu pandemic of 1957-1958 resulted in a estimated 116,000 deaths in America (followed by the Hong Kong flu with about est. 100,000 American deaths in 1968–69), when at 171,984,000, the population size in 57-58 was about half of what it is now (330,541,000, rounded figures). Meaning that not only was the infection death rate much higher than for COVID-19, but there would have to be about 200,000 COVID-19 est. deaths to be comparable to the Asian flu. Yet that would simply make it basically equal as concerns the numbers of deaths in proportion to population size, but to justify the CovidCaptivity, one would have to argue that the Asian flu should have necessitated a response like that to COVID-19. The Soviets would have favored that for sure.

The question then is, where was the response in 57-58 comparative to COVID-19 in proportion to its threat? Yes, the 116,000 deaths in America to the Asian flu was for the whole year, yet even if we reach about 200,000 deaths (we pray not) for COVID-19 then the extremely restrictive all-ages response to COVID-19 simply has no precedent in American history, except to a degree with the far more deadly (550,000 to 675,000 Americans, or 0.66% of the population) 1918 flu.

And yet we read ,

This is how the Pasadena Merchants and Standard-Murphys played a game in the Southern California Winter League on January 26, 1919. The influenza epidemic that had started the previous year was spreading, and California was concerned. Pasadena had started requiring residents to wear masks in public; on the first day that the rule went into effect, the city made 60 arrests to show that the new law was for real. So how does a baseball team operate under these regulations? Simple: Just make everyone wear a mask. Per the Los Angeles Times, “even when sliding for bases, the runners managed to keep the cloth over their noses and mouths.”

This was not how most baseball teams addressed the flu. While the MLB season was cut a few weeks short in 1918, that was due less to the outbreak and more to World War I, and it started back on schedule in 1919. But MLB went without any formal protocol about how to handle the outbreak, with no serious talk of canceled games or empty stadiums, and baseball went on, even as the illness came for some of its key figures...

And as for the 1919 Pasadena Merchants, they appear to be an outlier. While flu masks were common during the outbreak of 1918, there’s not much record of other baseball teams with them, and Pasadena received national press for the novelty of “the masked ballgame.” (Emma Baccellieri; https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/03/09/coronavirus-baseball-history)

49 posted on 05/14/2020 6:01:50 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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