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Dr. Fauci reportedly to testify reopening too early risks ‘needless suffering and death’ from Coronavirus
CNBC ^ | 05/12/2020 | Christine Wilkie

Posted on 05/12/2020 8:17:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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They got our hopes up and then dashed them. We are not reopening any time soon, if they have their way. The May 20 reopening was to shut us up and keep us from rioting in the streets. They figure if they extend it two weeks at a time we won’t go out in the streets with signs.


21 posted on 05/12/2020 8:43:37 AM PDT by I want the USA back (I fear my government more than the bug. I hate that which makes me afraid. And the media.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Originally, the purpose of the Covid-19 shutdown was to flatten the curve in order to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. Where are the current overwhelmed hospitals?

Dr. Fauci has changed the goal post to aid the Democrats.


22 posted on 05/12/2020 8:49:07 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: SeekAndFind

“This will not only result in needless suffering and death…”

He will focus only on those opportunities where there is needed suffering and death.


23 posted on 05/12/2020 8:49:58 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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To: SeekAndFind

The scumbags in the house need to prolong this downed economy from reopening, this is where they are going


24 posted on 05/12/2020 8:55:07 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: SeekAndFind
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease specialist

Similar to "hydroxychloroquine, the controversial drug touted by Trump"

25 posted on 05/12/2020 8:58:25 AM PDT by Pollard (whatever)
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To: SeekAndFind
“The major message that I wish to convey to the Senate HLP committee tomorrow is the danger of trying to open the country prematurely,” Fauci wrote in the email, which Stolberg posted on Twitter.

“If we skip over the checkpoints in the guidelines to: ‘Open America Again,’ then we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks throughout the country. This will not only result in needless suffering and death, but would actually set us back on our quest to return to normal,” wrote Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

He really means it. But not because it will occur naturally. It will occur because he will make it occur. Just like he did the first time. These guys are like the mafia, selling insurance for a danger they themselves pose. They hold all the patents on these weirdo viruses they have been inventing. They know how to make them and they know how to spread them. And when they get their way and everyone agrees to be vaccinated for them, they know how to get rich on the proceeds. They have really been enjoying this power trip.

May God grant that America will not comply.

26 posted on 05/12/2020 8:58:54 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

More than one hundred years ago the great French economist, Frederic Bastiat, wrote his classic essay, “What Is Seen and What Is Not Seen in Political Economy!” Can such an essay, written in a different time and a different land, have something to say to today’s Pandemic? It certainly can!

Bastiat pointed out, in brilliant fashion, the universal truth that you can’t get something for nothing. To most people this seems perfectly obvious. Yet many of these same people forget all about this “obvious fact” when the conversation turns to economics!

They say: “Look at all the good that government spending does. Look at these fine public works. Consider, if you will, the many jobs these public works create. Surely you wouldn’t suggest that government spending be reduced when so many jobs depend on it.”

The concrete results of government spending are what is seen. What is not seen is what would have happened to the taxpayers’ money if it hadn’t gone for taxes. “What would have happened?”

The money would have been spent or saved. If it had been spent then it would have created jobs in the private sector just as jobs were created in the public sector, except that people would have been spending their money on what they wanted.

If it had been saved then, directly or indirectly, it would have been invested and turned into factories, machines, and tools. That is, the money would have been converted into capital goods that create jobs for millions of workers.

So, by the same token, I will concede that if the economy reopens before a safe and effective Covid-19 vaccine is developed, there will be suffering and death.

But we are already locked down and THERE IS SUFFERING AND DEATH.

So, the question is this — if we follow Dr. Fauci’s dictates and lock down indefinitely, can he guarantee that there won’t be any more suffering and deaths, not only from Covid-19, but from other causes?

Life is always about tradeoffs. If we DON’T open, there will be suffering and deaths *AND* a wrecked economy.

If we DO open, there will also be suffering and death, but at least, the economy recovers.

We are supposed to be “The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave”, “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death”, Which path will we choose?


27 posted on 05/12/2020 8:59:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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here’s what a similar study published in The Lance on April 29 found:

“In this study of adult patients admitted to hospital for severe COVID-19, remdesivir was not associated with statistically significant clinical benefits. However, the numerical reduction in time to clinical improvement in those treated earlier requires confirmation in larger studies.

...

“Adverse events were reported in 102 (66%) of 155 remdesivir recipients versus 50 (64%) of 78 placebo recipients.

Remdesivir was stopped early because of adverse events in 18 (12%) patients versus four (5%) patients who stopped placebo early.”

BTW, I just found out our local hospital refuses to actually treat patients admitted for C-19, but instead prefers to simply watch them die (they call it “supportive care”) ... they refuse to give either hydroxychloroquine or remdesivir ...

reading between the lines of what i was told:

1. They’re too chickenshit scared to prescribe hydroxychloroquine because of political ramifications (ya just gotta love docs too scared to practice real medicine)

2. They refuse to prescribe remdesivir because the cost is $4,000/treatment and it isn’t worth the money because it doesn’t work ...

So, should myself or any i care about become exceptionally ill with C-19, then initial self-treatment would be in order; i called my local Walmart and they said they do stock hydroxychloroquine and can dispense for a diagnosis code of c-19, and most likely my regular doc would prescribe it if i requested it ...


28 posted on 05/12/2020 9:05:06 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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“Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have no] impact on what we do.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician-blasts-cdc-coronavirus-death-count-guidelines


29 posted on 05/12/2020 9:10:02 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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RE: i called my local Walmart and they said they do stock hydroxychloroquine and can dispense for a diagnosis code of c-19, and most likely my regular doc would prescribe it if i requested it ...

You’re lucky you live in a more open-minded state. Here in NY State, they only allow administering of HCQ IN A HOSPITAL. While there are physicians who will prescribe HCQ to you on an off label and outpatient basis, there are too many who WILL NOT for fear of prosecution or removal of license to practice.


30 posted on 05/12/2020 9:11:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (look at Michigan, it will)
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I researched the phrase "Fauci needless suffering and death". To the best of my knowledge, Fauci gave a podcast interview to the NY Times last month using that phrase. This morning every mainstream news outlet were PREDICTING (PREDICTING!!!) Fauci would testify to reopening too quickly would result in "needless suffering and death" which is why all those outlets put that quote in parenthesis.

A key phrase in those references is attached to the "needless suffering and death" phrase which in context encouraging States to follow "the guidelines to: ‘Open America Again". Those guidelines are posted on the whitehouse.gov site as a pdf. No where in those Whitehouse guidelines mention requiring masks in any of the three phases (appropriately). Stress is given on distancing of 6 ft when possible. Each phase is triggered by a 14 day period of "downward trajectories" of infections. If States and Counties veer away from that standard of the 2 week goal of declining SARS-Cov-2 cases and extend their shutdowns (Phase One) beyond that time standard, you know your local governments are more interested in power and control and not public health.

31 posted on 05/12/2020 9:18:02 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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Would it be possible to develop a reliable home/work/event test (along the inesnof the Abbott real time) that people could do daily? Or some scan app on phones that cpuld identify the virus.

While most people with clearcut symptoms or confirmed diagnosis would willingly quarantine for an appropriate period, I'd wager most with mild, oddball symptoms that could be any run of the mill thing are not going to sacrifice two weeks every time they get a sniffle if they can't get tested. Allergies sufferers would be in constant lockdown. Such devices could help stop spread from such folks as well as asymptomatic and presymptomatic carriers.

32 posted on 05/12/2020 9:21:02 AM PDT by Moonlighter (2)
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I think he has been working on flattening the aids curve.
That’s why all the faggots like him.


33 posted on 05/12/2020 9:21:47 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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Correction to my previous comment. For individuals, this is included in the pdf: "Strongly consider using face coverings while in public, and particularly when using mass transit". In other words, specifically, situations where the public is crammed tightly in enclosed spaces with the general public, then, consider wearing face coverings.
34 posted on 05/12/2020 9:31:27 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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“He will focus only on those opportunities where there is needed suffering and death”

You mean those that are broke, unemployed, begging, starving, losing things they worked years to create, things like that? That’s “needed suffering”?


35 posted on 05/12/2020 9:35:49 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course opening too late causes needless death and suffering. With an emphasis on suffering a hundred to one.


36 posted on 05/12/2020 10:03:34 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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What illnesses, diseases, syndromes, conditions, and bodily harm a la knees, etc. would not cause needless suffering? How many patients have already suffered because of these?


37 posted on 05/12/2020 10:06:47 AM PDT by combat_boots (God bless Israel and all who protect and defend her. Merry Christmas! In God We Trust!)
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Thank you for that!
You have set my evening’s reading agenda.

Your argument about the opportunity costs of the pandemic and action taken are clear and refreshingly common sensible. What is alarming (to me) is the extent to which the general public would fail to grasp it - or are failing to grasp it. I think CS Lewis was on to it when he coined the term “chronological snobbery.” The average CNN viewer takes himself to be not only smarter than his father and grandfather, but certainly more enlightened. Truth of the matter is, as a people, we’re really just a bunch of idiots.
Thanks CNN.


38 posted on 05/12/2020 10:12:54 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt
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We flattened the freaking curve. His demands seem to evolve.


39 posted on 05/12/2020 10:22:13 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (They hated Reagan too ! TRUMP TOUGH - AMERICA STRONG)
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We flattened the freaking curve. His demands seem to evolve.


40 posted on 05/12/2020 10:24:50 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (They hated Reagan too ! TRUMP TOUGH - AMERICA STRONG)
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