Posted on 05/11/2020 5:18:01 AM PDT by blam
add Hillary who paid for the dossier and passed it to McCain and you got the entire seditionist gang.
Thank you I have been calling it sedition
This from Websters:
Subversion definition is - the act of subverting : the state of being subverted; especially : a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within.
When Kerry interjected himself into the Paris peace talks with VN, he gave aid and comfort to the enemy. For the last 4 years he has been doing the same with Iran. He is a traitor.
Can’t be...look up the law. It has to be helping our enemy we are at war with. We aren’t at war with Russia or China. In fact, we aren’t at official war with anyone. So it can’t be treason. At least that’s how I understand it. Do you know differently?
That was defined as essentially disloyalty to one to whom loyalty was owed - which would apply to government enforcement employees and those in confirmed positions.
Your point is well-taken in regards other specific usages.
thanks. For some reason when I saw that, I interpreted it as a youtube link. doh!
Well on my re-read I think Sedition does fit:
The key is it says OR not AND.
“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”
see my post above this one. I think Sedition does fit again.
I thought it was subversion after I re-read the law. but now reading it again I think sedition fits. The key is it uses OR not AND.
“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”
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If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow...
...or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States...
So they clearly were conspiring to overthrow the govt.
And the next part they were delaying the execution of Trump as President and his lawful orders as President. And they were using the force of their gov’t position to do so. (this one is a more of a stretch)
subversion is from within. Sedition is with FORCE
But they used outside help. Russia, UK, Australia, Italy, etc..
Plus there is no law that I can see that subversion in and of itself is illegal...you have to be specific to the law wiht that one. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115
A coup to overthrow the duly elected government of the United States IS treason... What's with the 'close' stuff?
While FBI and Intelligence thugs were trying to overthrow the government, they were projecting their crimes onto innocent conservatives.. by saying that's what WE were trying to do. These are sick evil people... praying the get prison time or death sentences.
A coup to overthrow the duly elected government of the United States IS treason... What's with the 'close' stuff?
While FBI and Intelligence thugs were trying to overthrow the government, they were projecting their crimes onto innocent conservatives.. by saying that's what WE were trying to do. These are sick evil people... praying they get prison time or death sentences.
You are absolutely correct in pointing out that what was done is not acceptable even if not falling within a particular criminal statute. This likely explains the libs on the Supreme Court joining the majority in the Bridgegate decision. They saw the next step knowing how bad. Zero and his cronies had been, at least enables their escape on treason charges.
NO FORCE
Yeah I saw the site. Not very versed on subversion. Plotting to overturn the election and the legitimate government has to be some kind of crime.
Well tell congress
That’s a great point. Plus, since this was a conspiracy, where they mention “fines,” they also need to bring in the RICO statutes, which can hugely increase the amount of the fines.
And then there are the civil suits, from everyone victimized, including President Trump, for legal fees. The bad actors will NOT be covered under their government immunity, since they acted well beyond their authority.
And finally, sue the crap out of the media. If it can be shown that the media was knowingly working with an illegal attempt to overthrow the elected President, then that is no longer a first Amendment issue, but covering up for an illegal act, as well as knowingly disregarding the truth, promoting malicious lies, making the media companies accessories. They knowingly lied about things with the intent to overthrow the election. Hey, why not charge them with Sedition too, though it might be a bit more difficult.
Mark
“not owing” is different than “not claiming”.
States make claim on persons allegiance via many avenues, birth, blood, residence etc.
A person unable to owe allegiance to another state is one born under all those above conditions, in my understanding of the issue.
For example, my grand parents, all 4, were not born in the US or it’s territory or jurisdiction, my parents were born in the US to parents who were naturalized prior to their birth, I was born in the US to parents born in the US of naturalized citizen parents.
Czechoslovakia and Poland could have claimed alliance owed by my grand parents, but not my parents, nor I. As it stands, my grandparents emigrated lawfully, under the laws of both countries at the time.
I am both native and natural born.
Same for my wife.
Our son was born in West Germany while I was stationed there on official orders. He is , under laws at the time, a US citizen born abroad, a natural born one at that. However, if we had been vacationing on a vacation visa, he would be a US citizen born abroad, but not exempt from claim of allegiance by that country if there were no agreements or treaty exempting him.
My 2nd son was born in the States, but his mom was Thai. He has US Citizenship via both place and because I was. He too is NOT a NBC.
My 3rd son was born in the States, but his mother had by then become a US Citizen. He is a NBC.
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