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Neil Boortz was a lawyer and radio host in Atlanta for decades. I'm sure many people here are familiar with him.

He posted a podcast covering the legal aspects of the Ahmaud Arbery killing. It's 9 minutes long and worth listening to, because Georgia has some peculiarities in GA law.

Citizen's arrest: only legal if you WITNESSED the crime taking place. Otherwise, it is illegal in GA for a private citizen to pursue and detain a person they only suspect of committing a crime. This is bad news for the McMichaels, as their defense seems to be they were making a citizen's arrest, which won't be a valid defense in GA.

GA has no 1st degree, 2nd degree murder. What it has is:

Murder: illegal killing; must be premeditated; requires a plan & action.

Felony Murder: illegal killing committed while in the act of another crime; does not have to be premeditated; even if you didn't pull the trigger, you can be charged with this (two guys rob a store, one guy pulls a gun and shoots the cashier, they can both be charged with felony murder). Any death, even an accidental one, can be a felony murder if it occurs during the commission of a crime.

Manslaughter: illegal killing; does not require premeditation.

He thinks they have been overcharged, because while the killing seems to be illegal, it does not seem to have been premeditated. Thus, he thinks they may get off.

1 posted on 05/10/2020 1:30:57 PM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

Who shot Boo?


2 posted on 05/10/2020 1:32:32 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: Brookhaven

“...he thinks they may get off.”
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If by “get off” he means found to be NOT GUILTY because it was self defense, he would be right.


3 posted on 05/10/2020 1:38:19 PM PDT by House Atreides (It is not a HOAX but it IS CERTAINLY A PRETEXT.)
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To: Brookhaven

I miss Boortz and his sarcastic banter but do NOT miss his support for abortion.


4 posted on 05/10/2020 1:40:01 PM PDT by Dacula (Day 16 of Georgia opening up and I am still alive)
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To: Brookhaven

I thought they still needed a grand jury for the charges?


7 posted on 05/10/2020 1:43:55 PM PDT by Trump.Deplorable
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To: Brookhaven

Everybody’s ignoring a fact that the killer already knew this guy. So it probably was premeditated.


10 posted on 05/10/2020 1:45:51 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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The mere act of grabbing guns, jumping into a pickup truck and driving out for the alleged suspect would, to some, seem to be a premeditated act. Perhaps one could argue they grabbed their guns for self defense but the obvious fact is that they pursued Arbery, not the opposite. Arbery was not on *their* property so the fact they pursued the man would indicate a certain level of forethought.
12 posted on 05/10/2020 1:46:24 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (The Democrats - Unafraid to burn in Hell.)
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To: Brookhaven

It could be self-defense even if those two had an illegal roadblock. On the other hand, had the running man gotten the shotgun and killed the road-blocker, that also would be self-defense.


14 posted on 05/10/2020 1:50:44 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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“Felony Murder: illegal killing committed while in the act of another crime;”

Incomplete:

16-5-1. Murder; felony murder

(a) A person commits the offense of murder when he unlawfully and with malice aforethought, either express or implied, causes the death of another human being.

(b) Express malice is that deliberate intention unlawfully to take the life of another human being which is manifested by external circumstances capable of proof. Malice shall be implied where no considerable provocation appears and where all the circumstances of the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

(c) A person also commits the offense of murder when, in the commission of a felony, he causes the death of another human being irrespective of malice.

(d) A person convicted of the offense of murder shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole, or by imprisonment for life.


20 posted on 05/10/2020 1:56:47 PM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Brookhaven

That’s been my take on some of these threads where people believe it’s entirely a premeditated killing, if you overcharge the shooters can walk because they don’t appear to meet the definition of the charge.


30 posted on 05/10/2020 2:14:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Joe Biden- "First thing I'd do is repeal those Trump tax cuts." (May 4th, 2019))
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A couple of questions.

1. Who owns the house that was under construction?

2. Did the trespasser go through the house and have equipment piled up to pick up later that night?

3. Using the jogger’s phone, did he ever run this path before?


31 posted on 05/10/2020 2:16:35 PM PDT by Dacula (Day 16 of Georgia opening up and I am still alive)
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To: Brookhaven

How over charged?

They’ve been charged with felony murder


32 posted on 05/10/2020 2:18:13 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Brookhaven
What would the situation be if you assail somebody who is illegally in the process of arresting you? It gets confusing pretty fast.

At least in this situation it doesn't appear that racism was the motive.

38 posted on 05/10/2020 2:21:05 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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With due respect to Neal Boortz, he doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. You don’t have to ACTUALLY SEE a felony to make a citizen arrest. If that was the standard for probable cause, the cops couldn’t make arrests in 90% of cases because they didn’t see the, for instance, back robbery. You can either see a felony or it is within your knowledge.


45 posted on 05/10/2020 2:35:51 PM PDT by bort
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• “Jogging” in boots

• Carrying a hammer, before he dropped it in the road

• 87 miles from his home

• Observed by the father & son illegally entering through the rear of a home under construction adjacent to the father’s, and exiting out of the front door

• Prior criminal history for illegal possession of a firearm, obstruction of law enforcement, and shoplifting. Ironically, the father, a retired cop, was on the DA’s staff when the “jogger” was investigated on the firearms charge. Brought a .38 pistol to basketball game and was spotted. Gun fell out of his waistband as he ran away. Cornered and captured by the cops.

• The “jogger’s” older brother has been in prison, and currently is in jail awaiting felony prosecution. He has a cousin who also is in trouble with the law.

Don’t let the picture of the perp smiling in his tuxedo fool you. He was up to no good. And there’s no video at this point how the shooting went down. The “jogger” did grab the barrel of the shotgun. Report is the first shots occurred in that struggle and did not hit the “jogger.” Conceivably could have been a matter of justifiable self defense, such as in the Michael Powell and Trayvon Martin shootings.


49 posted on 05/10/2020 2:39:57 PM PDT by twister881
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"Citizen's arrest: only legal if you WITNESSED the crime taking place."


"Well, I'll be darned Barney, that shore
do look like a witness."

51 posted on 05/10/2020 2:41:35 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (I don't owe you my freedom.)
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I saw the video. I might not elect the wisest course of action when someone waves a shotgun in my face. The perps need to serve time for this.


73 posted on 05/10/2020 3:12:05 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Get back with me when someoneÂ’s in jail.)
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