Posted on 05/07/2020 5:40:40 AM PDT by kevcol
Dr Grant Colfax, San Francisco's public health director, said the harm-reduction approach is widespread and based on decades of sound public health policy.
'Our focus needs to be on supporting them,' he said of the people who are isolating or under quarantine.
For people experiencing alcohol withdrawal, the Department of Public Health calculates the minimum amount needed and delivers them with meals.
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I have known literally 100’s of alcoholics over the years many consuming 1+ litre’s of “hard liquor” Vodka, Gin, Bourbon etc. a day for years that quit cold turkey.
The withdrawal symptoms varied from bad to worse with the very occasional seizure “like” physical expression exhibited.
In 40 years I have yet to run into anyone in the community that has known of anyone dying from the experience.
Lock ‘em up?
I’m sorry but this is the USA where we don’t lock up people who haven’t committed any crime.
Quarantines are voluntary. As absurd as the situation may be, it’s the reality they must deal with, and this is the cheapest and most effective solution. It ain’t like they’re supplying crack and meth.
Our biggest infection is a disease called “California.” There is no vaccine as of yet. Give us time.
The headline says they are facing a “backlash”...From who?? The people in SF will rush out to the polls (or mail in their vote) to vote for the same leftists who put them in this predicament. I have no sympathy for anyone who lives in that hell hole.
And we are expected to bail these cities and states out?
I mean, why the hell not!
“Give me librium or give me meth”
hee hee. I see you.
“This is kind of necessary if they’re going to be kept in quarantine.”
Yeah, I mean, I’m a pretty heavy smoker, and you aren’t going to keep me in a hospital if you don’t give me a nicotine patch or something and I can walk out the door under my own power. Maybe for a few hours, but beyond that, forget about it.
So you aren’t going to keep a stew bum quarantined in a dry hotel room if he can limp across the street to beg in front of the liquor store.
“As a recovering alcoholic I can state unequivocally that with the exception of very rare circumstances, stopping intake of alcohol cold turkey is still the most effective way of quitting for good.”
As a recovering alcoholic, I’m sure you also know that trying to force someone to go cold turkey who doesn’t have a desire to quit is never, ever going to work.
Gee, can I get my town to deliver Macanudos, Perdomos and Cubam cigars to me?
“As a recovering alcoholic, I’m sure you also know that trying to force someone to go cold turkey who doesn’t have a desire to quit is never, ever going to work.”
I certainly never stated nor did I have ANY intention of implying that anyone can be forced to quit consuming alcohol against there will for any sustained period of time.
My assertion was only that if someone strongly desires to become a sober person long term, stopping cold turkey is the most effective way to begin that process.
Sure, but I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that about 99% of the homeless people we’re talking about do not have a strong desire to become a sober person.
Which means they never will and delivering “minimal needed” alcohol to them is not helping the situation.
“Which means they never will”
Yes, it does.
“and delivering “minimal needed” alcohol to them is not helping the situation.”
Depends on what you mean by “the situation”. If you mean their alcoholism, no it is not helping, but if they don’t want to change, nothing is helping that. If the situation is that they are just going to break quarantine to go out and get alcohol, then I think yes, giving them alcohol so they don’t have to go out might help that situation.
“....then I think yes, giving them alcohol so they don’t have to go out might help that situation”.
Do you honestly believe that?
Why else would I say it?
“Why else would I say it?”
Who knows.....Just wanted to make sure you meant it before making my comment.
If you actually believe that providing just the minimum amount of alcohol to prevent withdrawal will in any way shape or form alter the behavior of an alcoholic concerning his pursuit of said then sir you are completely clueless concerning the disease of alcoholism and it’s related behaviors.
Oh sure, and providing no alcohol to an alcoholic is going to keep them in the hotel room more successfully?
“Oh sure, and providing no alcohol to an alcoholic is going to keep them in the hotel room more successfully?
I didn’t say that. I said it would have little positive consequence, be overall ineffective and any effect on behavior would be momentary and transient.
You are embarrassing yourself as you really have no idea what you’re talking about and it is quite apparent.
I am going to take Mark Twain’s advice now concerning arguing with a fool. Have a pleasant evening.
“I didn’t say that.”
No, but you said that giving them some alcohol won’t work, and I’ve gotten you to agree that giving them no alcohol won’t work either. So logically, that now only leaves the option of giving them a whole lot of alcohol. Is that what you are advocating?
There aren’t any other options left on what the correct amount of alcohol to provide to encourage them to stay in quarantine. You’ve rejected options A and B, so now you are left with either advocating option C or admitting that you have absolutely nothing sensible to contribute the conversation.
“You are embarrassing yourself as you really have no idea what you’re talking about and it is quite apparent.”
Yep, yep, ad hominems, the usual resort of those who can’t keep up and want to extricate themselves from an argument.
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