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Posted on 05/04/2020 7:03:32 PM PDT by Candor7
Firearms Licensing Requirements in Canada.
Rob Corbett
22 hrs
Let me lay this out for you and anyone else who also likely isn’t as informed as they would like to be.
Firstly, let me say this. I’ve been a firearms instructor for 14 years, a police officer and supervisor for 8. A correctional officer for 6 and an RCMP firearms verification expert since 2012. Part of being a firearms verification expert means it’s my job to be able to testify to court what classification different firearms are, and their points of origin and import.
With that being said I will start with this. Nothing on that list, or in a Canada is an “assault weapon” or a “military grade firearm”. All military firearms have been outright banned in Canada since 1979. Automatic firearms are prohibited in Canada. The rifles on that list are hunting and sporting rifles.
Trudeau is blatantly lying and misleading Canadians by using their lack of knowledge on the subject. Firstly, he bypassed our democratic process with is outrageous and every Canadian should be appalled. Secondly he is dancing on the graves of all those victims in NS. The shooter used a rifle obtained in the US and a pistol stolen from a Cst killed in cold blood. The victims and their families deserve better. Nothing he did was legal, he wasn’t even a firearms license holder and had previously been banned from owning firearms after a common assault (disclaimer - those conditions had expired).
Canadians are ridiculously strict with gun laws. Nothing in this act will help public safety in the slightest. All centre fire rifles in Canada are limited to 5 rounds. They cannot be converted to be automatic.
This will cost Canadians a half billion dollars and have zero effect on public safety. It will hurt public safety as it distracts money and attention from real issues.
The borders are weak as hell. I would say I handled more American firearms then Canadian ones. Personally I have seized more firearms then most people have ever seen in real life. The border is the biggest problem.
Secondly, the liberals banned carding and severely limited police powers to be proactive against gangs. The result was a 48% increase in shootings and a 98% increase in the number of people shot in the GTA.
Thirdly, the liberal government passed bill C75 which lowered sentences on violent crime and terrorism. It reduced bail considerations. Increased bail and promoted early release of offenders.
The liberals have hurt community safety far worse then we can likely repair.
Chris Lewis OPP commissioner (Ret) does not support this.
The association of chiefs of police do not support this.
Every police officer is screaming at this waste of money that will not help anything.
My AR 15 holds 5 .223 rounds. My deer rifle holds 5 30-06 rounds. It’s the most commonly used deer rifle in North America. Use common sense and tell me what’s more dangerous.
I think it’s also important that people understand how licensing works.
When you first decide you want your Possession and acquisition license (PAL) you find a licensed firearm instructor and tester. You will learn about different types of firearms, ammunition, safe handling, storage and transportation. The hunter safety course required for hunting is another course and exam on top of this. For the firearms portion only you will spend about $400 and two 8 hr training days. Followed by a lengthy exam requiring a 80% pass mark.
You then submit your application with proof of your testing. A picture, and roughly the same information you submit on your passport. Two guarantors etc. But, if you have a former spouse or partner...hope you’re in good standing. You will need their consent and the Chief Firearms Office (CFO) will contact them. You will wait about 6-12 months while they do background checks and local police records checks as well as calling the two character references you provided.
Then eventually your card will come in the mail at a cost of $80. Now, you legally can purchase ammunition and a firearm. But, only Non-Restricted firearms such as shotguns and hunting rifles. They must be stored separate from ammunition, out of site and locked. Either with a disabling lock, or in a locked container that is hard to break into. They can only be loaded in a place where they can be legally discharged. Ie the woods far away from people and houses.
Now, if you want a pistol or sporting rifle you need a restricted possession and acquisition license (RPAL). Back to the classroom, another 8hrs and $400. Another exam another $80 and an application the same as the first. You will wait 6-12 months again. Now, you have your license? Great! You can’t purchase a restricted firearms yet though.
Before you can do that you’ll need to be a member of a licensed range. Licensed ranges are over seen by the CFO to make sure they meet very stringent safety measures. So here in kingston we have one club, with a 2-3 year waiting list. So you apply and wait. Eventually luckily you get a spot. You pay your $300 annual fee, but you’re not shooting yet. First, another 8 hour safety course and then 4 probationary visits with a range officer.
Finally, you’re a member. Now you can purchase a pistol or sporting rifle. So you go to the store and chose one. You pay, now you wait. If you’re lucky 2-3 weeks maybe, sometimes 6-10 while the CFO approves it.
Oh, did I mention all firearms owners are checked on The Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) daily?.
So finally the day comes. You pick up your pistol or rifle. You’re ready to go! Nope, sorry. You’ll need two locks. A disabling lock and a hard container that locks. Restricted firearms are always locked twice. So we’re on our way right? No, not yet. Now you will need to contact the CFO wait on hold for 35-45 mins and request an Authorization to Transport (ATT). This is a piece of paper they will email you with your current address and your home address permitting you to transport your new firearm. You’re not allowed to stray. That would result in a ten year sentence and lifetime ban.
Once your home your pistol or rifle is stored separate from ammo and locked twice. It may only be transported to and from your licensed range with your ATT. It may only be discharged at your range.
At anytime the police on behalf of CFO or CFO may conduct a warrantless search of your home to verify proper compliance.
At any time any person can phone the CFO or local police with a safety concern about you and you will lose your firearms. It is now up to you, to pay to defend yourself.
That is the jist of the firearms licensing requirements in Canada.
Believe me, gun owners are afraid of sneezing as we can lose them so easily after going through so many hurdles to have them.
Tolerating all of that other intolerable government intrusion always leads to a ban.
We will not object.
The border is the biggest problem.
Yeah. We feel your pain.
the Conservative Party in Kanada is a joke... suck it up.
It is pretty clear the liberals want to control the general population through making them dependent on government for protection from the criminals they coddle.
As a Canadian, I would not blame America for building a wall across its northern border.
Especially that Roxham Road port crossing.
Make it so difficult that no one will want to go through the trouble to legally own them.
No, spend your money to protect Canadian soventry.
In Alabama, you walk into a gun shop with a credit card and a drivers license and walk out with as many guns, the biggest magazines they have and as much ammo as you can afford! Alabama > Canada
I travelled up to Canada just a few years ago. in the late spring, just by myself, going on a road trip.
Middle aged, white, short hair, glasses, wearing a military hat.
I had been driving for several hours straight (through northern Maine) when I hit the border. I figured I would stop and use a men’s room at the border crossing facility, which was good, because at that point, I had to go pretty badly.
When I got there, they asked me questions, then told me to pull my car to the side and come inside the building. When I came in (around 20:00) there was one person in this big room with benches, and when I asked him if I could use the men’s room, he said no. I had to wait.
So I had to urinate pretty badly at this time, but they said no, so I paced back and forth, because that can get pretty uncomfortable. After about five minutes, two border guards came out (male and female) and walked me to my car, asking me questions about whether I owned guns, etc. and then proceeded to take the entire car apart. Took my luggage out and completely emptied it, pulled out floor mats, emptied my glove compartment, emptied my trunk, searched the engine compartment, etc. The female pulls my container of prescription pills out (to save space when going on short trips, I just take what I need and throw them all into one container) and asks what they were, so I explain each one, and she admonishes me and says “You shouldn’t put them together in one container” which starts to REALLY piss me off. They are pulling other stuff out saying “What’s this? Why do you have this?”, etc.
Then, they pull my secured gun safe from under my seat, and ask if I had a gun in it. I said no, I already told them about a half dozen times I did not have a gun with me. They asked me to open it, and for some reason, the key didn’t work. At this point, I had to go so badly I said “Look. Why don’t you get a crowbar and force it open, I really have to go to the men’s room?” But I did finally get the blamed thing open.
All this took about 30-45 minutes, and by the end of it, as anyone who has ever had to go that badly knows, you almost begin to salivate from the discomfort.
I was pretty pissed.
To make it worse, on the way home the next day (only stayed one night) I got stopped by two police cruisers outside of St. Johns, where again, I was asked several times if I owned guns. Turns out they stopped me because I had apparently not paid for a tank of gasoline about forty miles back, and they called the RCMP. When they told me I didn’t pay, I was pretty adamant that I had, but agreed to drive back and straighten it out. As soon as I walked in, the guy behind the counter was apologetic, and said “I told them not to be hard on you, it was an accident!” We had a good laugh. It was due to confusion about the difference in the way credit card readers work up there, and I had ended up paying for a soft drink I purchased, not the gasoline.
Needless to say, I wasn’t feeling any love from North of the Border. Don’t feel like going back up again. Someone told me it was a tit-for-tat situation because Canadians complain the US side is tough on them going over. Yeah, I guess. They haven’t had a plane plow into a skyscraper up there. But their fixation with guns really pissed me off, and they were getting that crap from somewhere.
Yeah, Canadians are obsessed with guns, with getting rid of them completely.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they threw them into a great big pile and lit them all on fire on Canada day, July 1, right in front of Parliament Hill, creating a tremendous fireworks show!
I didn’t lose anything in Canada and there’s plenty of beautiful America to visit.
I suppose Canada wants to differentiate itself from its southern neighbor, who cherishes its Second Amendment.
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Canada has been down this path before, they will not fully submit.
Sigh. It could be as simple as that.
I had always enjoyed going to Canada, and I enjoyed individual Canadians as a rule, but that soured me a great deal.
Sadly.
And I thought California gun laws were insane. At least I can take as many of my rifles or pistols as I want, and drive to an open area of Federal land about two miles from my house and target shoot to my heart’s content.
Thanks for the Ping.
The more people know about this horrid violation of Civil Liberties of Canadian Gun Owners, the better.
This May 1st gun ban could very well have been in a totalitarian state like Iran.But this is Canada, now no longer a free nation. On the 1st of May 2020, Trudeau’s Banning of fully permitted firearms, which are the legal property of businesses and law abiding gun owners, Canada just manifested the first steps towards totalitarianism.
Beware America. You now have a neighboring, uncivilized totalitarian government running Canada.A firearms dealer called “ Iron Sights” loated in Fredericton, New Brunswick now has $350,00 dollars of firearms inventory he can do nothing with. His business will likely have to close, as will many firearms dealers across the country.
There is now the beginning of a movement to simply de-elect the Trudeau government. I hope it succeeds.
asking me questions about whether I owned guns, etc
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Hmmm . . . familiar
One day, I drove my US car into Canadia, and the border guards asked Where are your guns? Not do you have any. Where are they?
I said, I knew you would ask, and I left them back in Idaho.
And I was let through, with wife, 3 kids, and the Idaho guest.
Later I suspected they had run my plate and connected with state gun ownership records.
Similar at a stop in Susanville, CA.
No one has confirmed that the cops run plates, and check with ownership records. I’d like to know that.
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