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Will Depression II Dictate Trump's Fate?
Townhall.com ^ | May 1, 2020 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 05/01/2020 10:23:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

As of April 30, the coronavirus pandemic has killed 61,500 Americans in two months and induced the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

And if history is our guide, the economic crisis, which has produced 30 million unemployed Americans in six weeks, may prove more enduring, ruinous and historic than the still-rising and tragic death toll.

The Spanish flu of 1918-1919, the deadliest pandemic in modern history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide, a third of the planet's population, and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including 675,000 Americans.

"Adjusting for the difference in the size of the American population then and now," writes Chronicles columnist Roger McGrath, "that number will be equivalent to two million deaths today."

Yet, the Spanish flu did not shut America down.

As the Spanish flu hit and spread in 1918, the U.S. raised, trained and equipped an army of 4 million men, sent 2 million soldiers to France, broke Gen. Erich Ludendorff's army, and turned the tide in favor of the Allies.

By December 1918, Doughboys were arriving in New York harbor -- having sailed home from Europe's battlefields on flu-infested transports.

As the scourge continued to take its toll, Woodrow Wilson sailed to Europe, participated for months in the Paris Peace Conference, returned, went on a national train tour to sell his Paris treaty and League of Nations, and suffered a stroke.

In September 1919, Gen. Pershing led his victorious troops in victory parades in New York City and Washington. This writer's father, a teenager then, was in the D.C. crowd.

In the history books of the 1950s, World War I, Wilson and the Senate battle over the treaty he brought home and U.S. membership in the League of Nations loomed far larger than the Spanish flu that had killed as many U.S. soldiers as the Kaiser's armies.

But the Great Depression, to which our current crash is now being compared, did not last for just a year like the Spanish flu. The Depression lasted from the stock market crash in October 1929 to the eve of World War II.

Economically, it was devastating. Unemployment during the 1930s never fell below 14%. In 1937, it was back up to 17%.

At the bottom of the Depression, the stock market had lost 90% of its value, and the GDP had fallen 50%. Not until the end of FDR's second term, in 1940, when the U.S. began to gear up for the war, did America really begin to pull out of it.

FDR's New Deal, however, while it did not cure the Depression, was a historic political triumph for both the president and his party.

From 1930 through 1946, Democrats controlled both houses of the Congress every year, elected and reelected FDR four times and gave him a 46-state landslide in 1936, losing only Maine and Vermont.

What this suggests is that the economic devastation we have brought upon ourselves to battle the pandemic may prove more lasting and historic in its impact than the terrible losses of human life to COVID-19.

Politically, the Depression worked for the Democratic Party like no other event in history. After the Crash of 1929 under Herbert Hoover, the GOP held the House and Senate for only four of the next 50 years.

From 1932 to 1968, the GOP lost the presidency in seven of nine elections. Only Dwight Eisenhower's two terms in the 1950s interrupted a 36-year reign of the Democratic Party in the White House.

Richard Nixon broke the Democratic dominance and took back the White House for the Republicans in 1968. But it would still take another dozen years before the GOP won control of either house of Congress.

President Trump predicts a V-shaped recovery, the greatest boom in U.S. history. But it is well to recall what happened to the GOP when it failed to deliver in the last Depression.

Just as the Civil War was the defining event of the 19th century, giving us 13 Republican presidents from Lincoln to Hoover and only two Democrats -- Grover Cleveland and Wilson -- how and when we emerge from this new Depression may tell us which party not only wins 2020 but also dominates the new era.

And as one sees the growing divisions along political lines, with conservatives and populists calling for the country to be opened up, and liberals and Democrats calling for continued sheltering in place, both seem to realize the stakes.

Democrats may proclaim that they are eager to see the pandemic come to a swift and early end and the economy to return quickly to the robust state it was in last February.

But the cold political interests of the Democratic Party today are what they were in Hoover's time, to pray that the president fails, and fails badly, so that they inherit the estate.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antisemite; covid19; fdr; spanishflu; trumpadministration
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To: Kaslin

War is the time proven cure for economic depression.

I don’t like posting this, but we need to wage war on China.

Revenge has always worked as a rallying cry:

Remember the Alamo!
Remember the Maine!
Remember Pearl Harbor!
Remember the CCP Flu!


81 posted on 05/01/2020 3:50:44 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I got an issue with those types of numbers at that time. We are very resilient and this economy is based on a higher technology infrastructure which can get moving quite fast again. Had we been hit with something like anthrax I would be inclined to agree with you. Covid-19 is not even remotely as dangerous and it can be rather easily be decontaminated by commonly available agents.


82 posted on 05/01/2020 3:51:55 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Calif Conservative; DarthVader

Honestly, I don’t know how much more I can take of some of the defeatist sentiments expressed on these threads.

I’m no cockeyed optimist. But I refuse to accept that our future holds nothing but the prospect of servitude to a Leviathan state.


83 posted on 05/01/2020 3:57:25 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: DarthVader
I got an issue with those types of numbers at that time. We are very resilient and this economy is based on a higher technology infrastructure which can get moving quite fast again. Had we been hit with something like anthrax I would be inclined to agree with you. Covid-19 is not even remotely as dangerous and it can be rather easily be decontaminated by commonly available agents.

I want to believe that..., but we haven't decontaminated it yet, entirely. And people's (read: voters') perception isn't really based on any "higher technology."

84 posted on 05/01/2020 3:58:02 PM PDT by gloryblaze
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To: DarthVader
This isn't about the severity of the virus...it's about the severity of the damage done to the economy by the lockdown.Not just our economy...the economy of the entire industrialized world.
85 posted on 05/01/2020 4:03:04 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Just Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election!)
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To: gloryblaze

We have been decontaminated on the physical surroundings much more than you think. I have seen the efforts and evidence of the infrastructure being used. Decon for this pathogen is not some super serious high tech thing. Isopropyl alcohol wipe-down or atomized will do the trick.

The problem now is with those infected who need to be quarantined and treated. If what you say was true the hospitals would be filled to overflowing and they are not


86 posted on 05/01/2020 4:05:42 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Nothingburger

+100!!

“I’m no cockeyed optimist. But I refuse to accept that our future holds nothing but the prospect of servitude to a Leviathan state.”

Defeatism comes from one of two sources. Those who are not problem solvers and trolls!


87 posted on 05/01/2020 4:07:32 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Kaslin

Democrat weenies cry and run away when punched in the mouth.


88 posted on 05/01/2020 4:13:05 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The economy runs on the means of production (I do have a masters in economics in addition to my technical degrees). I work on very large expensive programs and understand how technology readiness, manufacturing readiness and all these factors come into play. We have a very modern infrastructure which is the engine on which it runs and I don’t see this as you do because of it. We are running things in a militarized mindset now and that means you get right back into the fight. The DPA can be used and we can move mountains with that.


89 posted on 05/01/2020 4:13:23 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: DarthVader

Well, Trump is definitely a problem solver, even though he took a lot of bad advice during this made-up “crisis.”

Still, I have a feeling that the Trump Curse is going to hit Dr. Fauxi and others.


90 posted on 05/01/2020 4:28:53 PM PDT by Nothingburger
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To: Nothingburger

+100!!


91 posted on 05/01/2020 4:31:20 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: lightman

You can’t be serious.


92 posted on 05/01/2020 4:36:50 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: DoodleDawg

We will indeed. But I will not forgive anyone that will sit the election out, or vote for a demon rat be it Biden or whoever , or some third party candidate.


93 posted on 05/01/2020 4:45:17 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: DarthVader

But...but...but...a member of “The IQ Of 2” crowd says you’re hysterical.

:)


94 posted on 05/01/2020 4:47:44 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Mercat

I recently read about that. We were stationed at Fort Riley from 1972 to 1977


95 posted on 05/01/2020 4:51:18 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: GOPsterinMA

IQ of 2 for him is too generous. I’m thinking more like 0.2!


96 posted on 05/01/2020 4:54:28 PM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: SkyDancer

A Landslide this great Nation has never seen and will never experience again.


97 posted on 05/01/2020 5:06:19 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

All we have to do is to help President Trump Make America Great Again, Again!

We can do this!


98 posted on 05/01/2020 8:05:55 PM PDT by Taxman ((We will never be a truly FRee people so long as we have the income tax and the IRS!))
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To: DarthVader

Perhaps your memory is better than mine, but—

— was it some other person named Donald Trump who led chants of “Lock her up?”

When we see even ONE Deep State Thug, such as James Clapper or James Comey being arraigned on felony charges for, oh... ANYTHING ...

— then I might take pleasant fantasies such as Rep. Nancy Pelosi or Sen. Charles Schumer or Sec. Hillary Clinton being locked up to be even a faint possibility.

Until then that’s all they are: childish time-sink fantasies.


99 posted on 05/02/2020 4:08:25 AM PDT by Calif Conservative (Ronald Reagan fan forever)
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To: DarthVader

Like what “things”?

This isn’t “Lost.”

Spell it out.


100 posted on 05/02/2020 4:21:12 AM PDT by Calif Conservative (Ronald Reagan fan forever)
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