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In the great debate of the past two decades about freedom versus control of the network, China was largely right and the United States was largely wrong. Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet, and governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.


One advantage to the corronavirus shut down of colleges and universities is that commie/fascists such as these do not have access to America's youth

1 posted on 04/30/2020 6:15:13 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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The definition of “Harmful information” will include anything our lords and masters don’t like.


2 posted on 04/30/2020 6:18:56 AM PDT by Fido969 (In!)
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Let's see how he feels about that when he is arrested and President Trump personally smashes the computers and printing press of the Atlantic. That would make free speech and press mature and flourishing.
3 posted on 04/30/2020 6:18:57 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parachutes are only anecdotally effective due to the lack of significant double blind testing.)
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This tyranny will not stand.


4 posted on 04/30/2020 6:21:10 AM PDT by Skywise
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The article is despotic filth the author is a danger to our society and the whole premise is borderline treason.


5 posted on 04/30/2020 6:22:04 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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These people are absolutely brutal. I wonder if they bothered to read Solzhenitsyn to find out about the real reality of “freedom versus control of the network”.

I also recall reading an interview with Lech Walesa and when asked about why the Soviet Bloc collapsed, he simply pointed to a television set (in explaining one important reason) and said how that changed a great many things. People behind the Iron Curtain got to watch Western TV shows from West Germany and saw the lifestyles there. In the world that these two authors suggest, there should have been Stalinesque controls on TV as well so as to help preserve the Berlin Wall and the communist governments east of that barrier.


6 posted on 04/30/2020 6:23:22 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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Only professional affirmative action bureuacrats and educrats should be allowed to publicly comment on public policy.

Or privately, for that matter.


7 posted on 04/30/2020 6:23:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have guessed the Communist Revolution would arrive disguised as the common cold?)
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Rush - The Temples of Syrinx (From 2112)

We’ve taken care of everything
The words your read, the songs you sing
The pictures that give pleasure to your eye

It’s one for all, none for one
We work together common sons
Never need to wonder how or why

We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls

Look around this world we’ve made
Equality our stock and trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx
All the gifts of life are held within our walls


8 posted on 04/30/2020 6:23:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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“Today, the platforms are proudly collaborating with one another, and following government guidance, to censor harmful information related to the coronavirus.”

Wow. End of Republic.


9 posted on 04/30/2020 6:25:55 AM PDT by JPJones (More Tariffs, less income tax.)
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Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet...

Wow. A textbook example of cognitive dissonance. Slavery is freedom.

10 posted on 04/30/2020 6:29:26 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The real virus is the MSM)
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All censorship is bad. Always.


11 posted on 04/30/2020 6:30:40 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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Anything from The Atlantic is not worth any of my time. Communist fish-wrap at best, bird cage liner at worst.


13 posted on 04/30/2020 6:33:23 AM PDT by paulcissa (Politicians want you unarmed so they can kill you.)
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Is this like the Fake News telling folks what they “need to know” whether it is true or not and not allowing any other opinions or facts to be spoken?


14 posted on 04/30/2020 6:33:49 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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As one might expect, The Atlantic does not permit the societal riffraff to comment on their articles. They have spoken. You peons shut up and obey.

I wonder how much the CCP paid “The Atlantic” for this article?


15 posted on 04/30/2020 6:34:30 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The real virus is the MSM)
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.. and following government guidance, to censor harmful information related to the  coronavirus communist agenda.

Truth

16 posted on 04/30/2020 6:34:50 AM PDT by tomkat
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I was banned from two sites I’d been a member of for over a decade, not for violating the rules, but for saying things about this virus that “might cause people to act irresponsibly”.

On another site they just turned off my ability to respond inside CV19 threads.

The internet only offers free speech if you are on your own website. And even then you can be stopped if they pressure your provider enough.

This sort of stuff was already a concern for a lot of us before the virus. This thing just exposed it for what it is. Coupled with the financial crisis coming, this will not end well. And the end is months or years, not decades, away.


17 posted on 04/30/2020 6:34:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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The Atlantic just went from “Leaning Left” to “Communist Collaborator”.


18 posted on 04/30/2020 6:35:20 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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Unreal. This is from a journalist? Then they need to explain why a virtual free public space should be regulated, regarding free speech, any differently than a physical free public space. Constitution should apply to both.

If places like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube want to provide free public access to their virtual space then Constitutional free speech should apply. Otherwise, make it a paid for private system.


22 posted on 04/30/2020 6:42:04 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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Or the tech giants will feel the Hammer that felled Ma Bell and there will be a change in favor of the consumer on the same order as when AT&T was broken up.


24 posted on 04/30/2020 6:44:00 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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We seriously need a revolution in this country. Communists like those at The Atlantic need to meet the fate of Julius Strichter and other propagandists who were judged at Nuremberg.


25 posted on 04/30/2020 6:45:51 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Politics is the continuation of war by other means. --Clausewitz)
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We’ve been seeing more and more that the media has been at the fore of the organized attacks on The First Amendment and free speech. We’ve seen more and more opinion writers, like the NY Slime’s Thomas Friedman, and now this Atlantic piece, that actually praise the actions of the Chinese Communist Party.

I believe that the reason for this is a combination of a lack of education, the decision to ignore the horrific human rights violations by the CCP, greed with the belief that as long as they toe the totalitarian, leftist line, that President Trump is an anomaly, as is the belief in liberty and that the Constitution actually means something, and that things will be getting “back to normal” in 2021. Finally, they believe that as long as they toe the line, that their jobs are safe, that they’ll be the last to be “eaten by the alligators.” It also helps that it helps make them feel superior to the “unwashed masses.”

It really shouldn’t be surprising. History and civics really haven’t been taught in the public primary and secondary school systems, and to be certain that totalitarian ideals are enshrined, the curricula are devised by, and the vast majority of schools and university are run by the supporters of totalitarianism.

The things that are being taught (more importantly, the things OMITTED) are shocking. There are high school students whose only knowledge of American History is based around slavery, and how the United States of America was the only country where slavery was legal. I met two of them, when I was helping a friend’s children with their math homework. It quickly changed to a civics lesson. They had heard of The Constitution, but had no idea what it was for or what was in it.

There’s no doubt that far too many in the media are more than willing to do away with the Constitution and the concepts of freedom of speech and the freedom to protest the government, as long as their jobs are safe.

Mark


26 posted on 04/30/2020 6:46:01 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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