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Internet Speech Will Never Go Back to Normal In the debate over freedom versus control of the global network, China was largely correct, and the U.S. was wrong.
The Atlantic ^ | April 27, 2020. | Jack Goldsmith Andrew Keane Woods

Posted on 04/30/2020 6:15:13 AM PDT by artichokegrower

COVID-19 has emboldened American tech platforms to emerge from their defensive crouch. Before the pandemic, they were targets of public outrage over life under their dominion. Today, the platforms are proudly collaborating with one another, and following government guidance, to censor harmful information related to the coronavirus.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: andrewkeanewoods; atlantic; comradegoldsmith; comradewoods; jackgoldsmith
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To: 21twelve

“We Have Assumed Control!”


21 posted on 04/30/2020 6:39:33 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: artichokegrower

Unreal. This is from a journalist? Then they need to explain why a virtual free public space should be regulated, regarding free speech, any differently than a physical free public space. Constitution should apply to both.

If places like Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube want to provide free public access to their virtual space then Constitutional free speech should apply. Otherwise, make it a paid for private system.


22 posted on 04/30/2020 6:42:04 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: JPJones

That happened on Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009.

This is just the cleanup.


23 posted on 04/30/2020 6:43:15 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: artichokegrower

Or the tech giants will feel the Hammer that felled Ma Bell and there will be a change in favor of the consumer on the same order as when AT&T was broken up.


24 posted on 04/30/2020 6:44:00 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: artichokegrower

We seriously need a revolution in this country. Communists like those at The Atlantic need to meet the fate of Julius Strichter and other propagandists who were judged at Nuremberg.


25 posted on 04/30/2020 6:45:51 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Politics is the continuation of war by other means. --Clausewitz)
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We’ve been seeing more and more that the media has been at the fore of the organized attacks on The First Amendment and free speech. We’ve seen more and more opinion writers, like the NY Slime’s Thomas Friedman, and now this Atlantic piece, that actually praise the actions of the Chinese Communist Party.

I believe that the reason for this is a combination of a lack of education, the decision to ignore the horrific human rights violations by the CCP, greed with the belief that as long as they toe the totalitarian, leftist line, that President Trump is an anomaly, as is the belief in liberty and that the Constitution actually means something, and that things will be getting “back to normal” in 2021. Finally, they believe that as long as they toe the line, that their jobs are safe, that they’ll be the last to be “eaten by the alligators.” It also helps that it helps make them feel superior to the “unwashed masses.”

It really shouldn’t be surprising. History and civics really haven’t been taught in the public primary and secondary school systems, and to be certain that totalitarian ideals are enshrined, the curricula are devised by, and the vast majority of schools and university are run by the supporters of totalitarianism.

The things that are being taught (more importantly, the things OMITTED) are shocking. There are high school students whose only knowledge of American History is based around slavery, and how the United States of America was the only country where slavery was legal. I met two of them, when I was helping a friend’s children with their math homework. It quickly changed to a civics lesson. They had heard of The Constitution, but had no idea what it was for or what was in it.

There’s no doubt that far too many in the media are more than willing to do away with the Constitution and the concepts of freedom of speech and the freedom to protest the government, as long as their jobs are safe.

Mark


26 posted on 04/30/2020 6:46:01 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: dfwgator

Yep. But like I said - in real life they failed at control. (The studio wanted 3 minute songs, RUSH gave them 21+ minutes.)

Although I wonder about the rest of the masses. Everyone following the media’s talking points. “Hey guys - look at me - I’m Donald Trump! I spray Lysol down my throat to get rid of the virus!”


27 posted on 04/30/2020 6:49:51 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful!)
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To: Flick Lives

Useful idiots have never needed to be paid before. Not when singing the praises of Stalin’s Soviet Union, not today covering for the ChiComs.


28 posted on 04/30/2020 6:51:14 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: artichokegrower

Oh look. More ChiCom propaganda coming out of left-leaning publications. Surprise, surprise.


29 posted on 04/30/2020 6:53:44 AM PDT by Antoninus (The press has lost the ability to persuade. They retain the ability to foment a panic.)
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To: artichokegrower

That piece lost me when it claimed the Virus came from the Wet Markets of Wuhan, it came from the Wuhan lab where it was manufactured.


30 posted on 04/30/2020 6:58:07 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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To: fuzzylogic

The authors are law school professors.

I read this article a few days ago (author Goldsmith only), and today’s is updated with two authors. I don’t know what the update changes are, if any.

I do not read this as approval of these developing internet practices, but as a realistic revelation of what is happening. In fact they say this has been going on for a long time, is progressing, and will not stop.

It affirmed what I have been seeing and thinking, but they are aware of much more and spell it out.


31 posted on 04/30/2020 6:58:21 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: Flick Lives

As I keep saying, these ARE the people that HUAC, the House UN-American Activities Committee, was correctly and wisely trying to prevent from ever having influence in this country.


32 posted on 04/30/2020 6:58:58 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: artichokegrower
Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet, and governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.

That should also be extended to books, newspapers, magazines, broadcast communications, movies and TV shows, music, public speech, etc., right? A lot of bad stuff can go down when people start thinking and expressing themselves.

33 posted on 04/30/2020 7:00:24 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Rappini

Yeah on the wet market. I first thought they accepted it as fact, but now think they use that phrase as a marker for the time and public acceptance of that virus cause, sarcastic maybe.

Then I found this: “...The Department of Homeland Security now requires visa applicants to submit their social-media accounts for review. “

Never knew this. So, is FR a social media? Accounts from here would make their hair curl.


34 posted on 04/30/2020 7:11:52 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (This is not /s. It is just as viable as any MSM 'information', maybe more so!)
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To: OttawaFreeper

There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. If we wish to make it louder, we will bring up the volume.


35 posted on 04/30/2020 7:12:32 AM PDT by DaveArk
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To: artichokegrower
“governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.”

we live in a pluralistic society, so who’s “norms and values” is the government supposed to protect? This sentence is just a word salad trying to justify fascism.

36 posted on 04/30/2020 7:33:09 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: cuban leaf

“I was banned from two sites I’d been a member of for over a decade, not for violating the rules, but for saying things about this virus that “might cause people to act irresponsibly.”

A Freeper friend of mine was permanently blocked because he argued too vehemently (or effectively) for ending the lockdown and was told by the mod gods that “We don’t wish people dead out at FR.”


37 posted on 04/30/2020 7:47:04 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (If the Trump Administration doesn't prosecute the coup plotters he loses the election in 2020)
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To: artichokegrower

38 posted on 04/30/2020 7:48:02 AM PDT by Pollard (shadowbanned)
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To: Scrambler Bob; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
"These and similar developments are the private functional equivalent of China’s social-credit ratings, which critics in the West so fervently decry. The U.S. government, too, makes important decisions based on privately collected pools of data. The Department of Homeland Security now requires visa applicants to submit their social-media accounts for review. And courts regularly rely on algorithms to determine a defendant’s flight risk, recidivism risk, and more." [emphasis added]

I note that this is for foreigners wanting visas to enter the USA.

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39 posted on 04/30/2020 7:49:01 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: Williams
The article is despotic filth the author is a danger to our society and the whole premise is borderline treason.

I would encourage this guy to keep talking. I would give him the broadest possible platform, and say nothing to discourage him.

40 posted on 04/30/2020 7:49:46 AM PDT by IncPen ("Inside of every progressive is a Totalitarian screaming to get out" ~ David Horowitz)
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