If you want to do a retrospective test, THIS is the one to try to replicate.
Posted on 04/22/2020 7:21:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
LAGUNA BEACH, CA — Touting the same anti-malarial drug President Donald Trump has been pushing, an Orange County doctor said he's seeing two notable trends: patients are responding well to the drug cocktail, and there has been a recent drop in the number of his patients testing positive.
Dr. Gregg DeNicola of the Caduceus Medical Group said he started testing for COVID-19 patients a month ago in Laguna Beach, eventually spreading out his practice to Yorba Linda and Orange. He's been treating his patients with a combination of hydroxychloroquine and Z- Pak, a five-day course of the antibiotic azithromycin.
"We've gotten very good results," DeNicola said.
Only one of his patients has had to be hospitalized so far, he said.
"We were a little unique," he added "We required telemedicine to evaluate patients first. One they passed that evaluation, they were directed to one of our three curbside locations."
DeNicola places his coronavirus patients into four categories — some are asymptomatic, some have mild to moderate symptoms and others are considered severe.
"If they're mild or less, we put them on the Z pack or Zinc, but we haven't seen it do much," he said.
But Plaquenil, the brand name for hydroxychloroquine, has produced "pretty good results," DeNicola said. "At least 75 to 80% notice definite improvements in a day or two."
However, his sample size is incredibly small. The criticism advocates of hydroxychloroquine have faced is that it simply hasn't been tested enough to be branded an effective treatment for coronavirus. It does have definite risks, namely it can trigger a serious heart condition.
DeNicola estimated his practice has tested 700 to 800 patients and 56 patients have tested positive for coronavirus so far.
"We were doing 50 to 75 (tests) a day," he said.
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Of course, there is the obligatory caveats below the above article:
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Some people are calling his practice to get hydroxychloriquine “for the heck of it, but the health department is asking us not to (accommodate) those people,” he said.
Dr. Shruti Gohil, a professor of infectious diseases at UC Irvine, said hydroxychloroquine is worth studying, but there’s not enough data to show it is effective yet.
“I don’t think it’s a bad idea at all,” she said. “I think we should look at it. But it does really have to be studied properly before it’s handed out like candy to patients. We have to be more careful.”
Gohil said she might use it “in my patients who are not doing well,” reserving it for elderly and high-risk patients.
The risk is the medication can cause cardiac arrhythmia, Gohil said.
Jerika Lam, a Chapman University associate professor of pharmacy and expert on viral infections, said that as of now, “there is no strong, reliable scientific evidence to support hydroxychloriquine for the treatment against SARS-CoV-2. The use of hydroxychloroquine against COVID-19 stemmed from a small, open-labeled, non-randomized French study.”
The study sample size was 26 patients, who were given hydroxychloriquine and azithromycin, Lam said.
“Of the 26 patients, six dropped out from the study, three transferred to the (intensive care unit), one patient died, one patient stopped the treatment because of severe nausea and one left the hospital,” Lam said.
Researchers concluded the study was too small and larger randomized clinical trials were needed to evaluate its effect on COVID-19, Lam said.
WHY can we not get the FACTS regarding this stuff! I have no idea what to believe...
Watch your back. Fauci is around every corner.
I turned on MSNBC (briefly) this morning at 9:40, thinking to myself that it was a good bet they were talking about the NIH “study“ disparaging hydroxychloroquine. Yep! At 10 o’clock, I turned on CNN to see if they were hyperventilating about the same thing. Yep! They even showed a clip of Trump encouraging its use. But then, before going to bed late last night, Fox was doing the same thing, maybe with a little less passion. The NIH, just another part of the swamp, has done it’s deed. Fauci was missing from yesterday‘s press conference for a reason. I wonder if he’ll have anything to say on the subject, today, if he is, indeed, there.
Fauci is busy with his MSM we must not open anything yet doomsday tour.
RE: WHY can we not get the FACTS regarding this stuff! I have no idea what to believe...
You just have to do enough digging, that’s all. Behind every negative or positive news, are caveat.
The following factors are important:
AT WHAT STAGE of the Covid-19 disease the Drug Combo are administered
The Condition of the Patient when the Drug Combo are administered.
The Correct Drug Combo Dosage
Most of the failed studies that I read are not designed to replicate the past successful cases that were already documented. They choose patients who are already on respirators for the most part.
Because there are so many variables
Consider just these
There is anecdotal evidence that suggests need for further studies that O type blood group might have a better time dealing with Covid than Type A
Blood type O is known to fight off severe malaria whereas Type A you can fall into a coma and die
The Duffy Antigen and lack thereoff is thought to have developed because of malaria.
This affects both getting HIV (COVID has some of the inserts) and living longer once you get it.
Malaria, the drugs, and the evolution of blood are all tied together in trying to figure out at least part of this...or at least should be.
Whatever you do DO NOT believe the coordinated attacks, by the left, against the HQC/Zpack/Zinc treatment!!
This guy has ALREADY completed a "study/trial" and has distributed his protocol.
The NWO lefties don't want the masses to be treated with this protocol, as it will go against their China Virus/COVID19 'gateway' to control....with shut downs, vaccines, chips, ID cards, drones, on and on....
Yep, EARLY...and that is problematic at this point. Maybe later it will be easier.
If you start getting sick and you think you have Covid you have to start putting a plan together..including who has access to Genentech’s drug if you get hit with the cytokine storm.
I am looking at whether access to drugs might be better at an academic hospital.
oh8eleven wrote:
“Adding to the confusion, this was announced yesterday:
“More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study”
Link
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And that study was —retrospective—, and the folks in it were very ill.
Good points. And HCQ + Azithro + zinc (and any med for that matter) needs to be started early.
RummyChick wrote:
“Because there are so many variables
Consider just these
There is anecdotal evidence that suggests need for further studies that O type blood group might have a better time dealing with Covid than Type A
Blood type O is known to fight off severe malaria whereas Type A you can fall into a coma and die
The Duffy Antigen and lack thereoff is thought to have developed because of malaria.
This affects both getting HIV (COVID has some of the inserts) and living longer once you get it.
Malaria, the drugs, and the evolution of blood are all tied together in trying to figure out at least part of this...or at least should be.”
What is wrong with the medical profession. A treatment of Hydroxychloroquine and subs is working but yet the medical profession is reluctant to use it. Just let the patient die since Big Pharma is not recommending the use of HCQ. Are doctors subject to imprisonment for prescribing the drug? Does HCQ have hidden side effects? Its only been around for 75 years and has been used world wide successfully without side effects of prominence, why not use it? This is unbelievable.
interesting compilation
this makes it harder to get the Dr prescribed in an early stage
Of course, the media’s very first question to President Trump at the press conference yesterday was about the VA hospital using HCQ deaths and that was followed by the NIH nixing HCQ.
Is it just a coincidence that the study about the VA hospital and the NIH recommendation against HCQ both came out yesterday?
Could there be an Anti-Trumper at NIH working behind the scenes to make that reporting coincidence happen?
Could there be an Anti-Trumper at NIH working behind the scenes to make sure that the first two questions asked of Trump were on these two reports?
Could that behind the scenes person possibly be ‘I-LOVE-HILLARY-SO-MUCH’ Fauci?
Now, let’s see a debate among scientists from both sides. If I get sick, I will take the cocktail. I trust Zev!
Liability is huge issue in all of this.
I saw one Dr who has treated over 1000 Covid patients hoping for some kind of “indemnity” on it. He is using proning at this point and trying to keep people off ventilators
Drs are still winging it because this virus is so wacky and has so many variables.
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