Posted on 04/20/2020 11:49:41 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
While much of western Europe has struggled to contain the coronavirus pandemic, Germany has appeared to navigate the outbreak relatively smoothly, with widespread testing and contact tracing that has helped keep its death rate far lower than its peers.
Perhaps, then, it’s time to look to Germany for how to lift the lockdown too.
On Monday, Germany started to tentatively lift its restrictions, with smaller retailers of under 800 square meters being allowed to reopen, as long as hygiene and social distancing measures could be maintained. Larger car dealerships, bike shops and book shops have also been allowed to open their doors.
The country’s influential and economically-vital car industry has lobbied hard for lockdown measures to be eased, and car group VW opened one of its major manufacturing plants in Germany, in the city of Zwickau, on Monday, with more plants to follow next week.
Schools will reopen on May 4, with priority given to students taking exams. Large, mass gatherings will remain banned until August 31, however, and restaurants, cinemas and large retail stores remain closed for now. In short, Germany appears to have a clear plan for how to reopen its economy.
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Just Go Go Go!!!
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From: moses
To: Rush Limbaugh
Cc: John muir ; Joe pags
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:44 AM
Subject: Bonn Univ Study
Leading German Virologist: ”No Transmission Of The Virus In Supermarkets, Restaurants Or Hairdressers Has Been Proved”
RTL Luxembourg ^ | 09.04.2020
Posted on 4/13/2020, 12:52:54 AM by Helicondelta
Mr Streeck is a professor for virology and the director of the Institute of virology and HIV Research at the University Bonn. He explained the methodology of his new study in Heinsberg, the “epicentre” of Germany’s COVID-19 outbreak, and talked about potential plans for a country to move forward gradually in getting back to a “normal” life.
These research findings have already provided some indication on how the virus works, as Streeck clarified:
“There is no significant risk of catching the disease when you go shopping. Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time, for example the après- ski parties in Ischgl, Austria.” He could also not find any evidence of ‘living’ viruses on surfaces. “When we took samples from door handles, phones or toilets it has not been possible to cultivate the virus in the laboratory on the basis of these swabs….”
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We as a country are just down about 10% so far, on our daily new infections yesterday.
28,000 yesterday.
In my humble opinion, that is still (far) too high.
Viruses don’t cultivate. They aren’t alive. Renders the rest of the text suspect.
Look, this is not rocket science. The question is asked what is the best way to return everything to normal. The answer is not complex.
Develop a cure that is as effective as antibiotics were in the early 1950s treating bacterial infections. None of this 50% vaccine effectiveness crap. None of this works sometimes on some people crap. Doctors in the 1950s knew that antibiotics would clear up bacterial infections because they talked to each other, they read peer-reviewed articles in medical journals, and they accumulated thousands of personal experiences with applying that cure to bacterial infections.
That’s it. That’s how you get back to normal and that’s pretty much the only way to get back to normal. So throw money at that pursuit.
Alaska has also been doing contact tracing. It’s very effective for tracking down those who might be infected.
Wouldn't larger retailers be better suited for social distancing rules?
The only people here advocating for continuing the lockdown are enemies of America, and the useful idiots dumb enough to fall for it.
“.... The question is asked what is the best way to return everything to normal. The answer is not complex.
Develop a cure that is as effective as antibiotics were in the early 1950s treating bacterial infections...”
Bushiite. Just end it. The lethality of this is the same as the flu in a typical year. It’s killing our country. The cure, not the disease.
Hide under your bed if you want.
Just say “Achtung! You vill leave or else!”
“Ve have ways”.
“No Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals or Viruses” allowed in Germany. Remember what happened the last time, Virus-scum!”
Here’s a link to that article:
SCIENCE + ENVIRONMENT - LEADING GERMAN VIROLOGIST
“So far, no transmission of the virus in supermarkets, restaurants or hairdressers has been proved.”
https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1498185.html
There seem to be peaks and troughs in the daily new infections number.
the deaths also show similar peaks and troughs - and what is worrying is as NY dips, other states go up.
42K dead in about 1.5 months
Of course viruses are cultivated. In cell culture.
yes, viruses aren’t alive, but you do “cultivate” them in labs to test — Viruses can be cultivated within suitable hosts, such as a living cell.
to compare to antibiotics — but viruses are not alive, they’re just packages of protein.
the USA deaths from influenza in 2018-2019 were 34,200 deaths from influenza
2017-2018 was 61,000 influenza-associated deaths
2016-2017 was 38,000 influenza-associated deaths
2015-2016 was 23,000 flu-associated deaths
So this was on average 39,050 -- 2017-2018 was an anomaly.
In the past 6 weeks there have been 42,514 deaths. This is already over the average yearly deaths from influenza and it is on track to be over the maximum number by mid-May
So no, this is not "the same as the flu" - whatever makes you think that?
reference here: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
Labs culture and grow viruses daily. Problem with culturing and detecting the virus, aside from how it has to be grown, : it has to be maintained in liquid media to keep it viable. Then it has to be frozen in the media to increase the length of transport time in a viable state.
The cdc says the virus can be detected on cardboard like 2.2 million years. What they don’t tell you, is that it is detectable, but unable to replicate. If it cannot replicate, it cannot infect. So why doesn’t the cdc tell the real story.
Then they instruct doctors to inflate corona death numbers. So you have to ask yourself why lie?
Well these are word games. Culturing a microorganism refers to placing it in a environment like a petri dish that has nutrients that it can eat and reproduce.
A virus is not alive. It’s a strand of genetic material surrounded by some fat. It can be detected. If it can be brought into contact with cells, which are living organisms, it can penetrate the membrane of that cell and convert the genetics of that cell to reproduce the virus. It is not the virus that reproduces. It is the cell that reproduces it.
None of this was important to the core point of my comment above. That was that the best way to return things to normal his find a cure for the disease. If people know that they’re not going to take a disease to their parents to kill them because their parents can be cured of it and then they will be willing to go to sporting events, political rallies, airplane trips and cruises.
With no cure, every state in the country can announce that lockdown is released and that most the country would return to about 15% of its previous activity. It is not locked down that has slowed the economy. It’s people not wanting to kill their parents that has slowed the economy.
“So no, this is not “the same as the flu” - whatever makes you think that?”
The total deaths from covid-19, this year, will be around 60,000. That’s around the number from the 2017 flue (80,000).
https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/
You might not like it (why?), but it’s true. Game over. Stop being duped.
(Flu deaths are always estimated, so they have a range each year. They are never sure of the actual number. And estimates go up and down, depending on who, and when, you ask. Why? Because it’s no big deal. Nobody thought it was critical to actually count, let alone “mitigate.”)
You say total deaths from COVID-19 will be 60k this year?
It’s just about 1.5 months since the first deaths in the USA and it has already reached 45k.
The 2017 death toll was an outlier, the average death toll is 35k.
In any case, COVID-19 looks like it could reach the 2017 outlier peak in May or June
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