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1 posted on 04/14/2020 8:21:31 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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This is becoming the BIG LIE.


2 posted on 04/14/2020 8:24:24 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Drivel by someone who can’t comprehend curves.

The goal is to reduce the slope of the curve, that s the rate of change

The duration is not necessarily a function of the slope.


3 posted on 04/14/2020 8:25:28 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Maybe it is all those years of mathematics. But I asked a simple question at the time: If the peak is a hill and not Mount Everest or even a mountain at all, then does it even need flattening?

I get it, we didn’t know the amplitude. But as we gathered more data and it became apparent, it also became apparent that the lockdown mania was a sham.


4 posted on 04/14/2020 8:26:17 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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We are stupid. We pick the dumbest, most corrupt among us, to lead us.

Then we wonder why they make bad decisions.


5 posted on 04/14/2020 8:26:23 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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Immunization or vaccine is the answer.


6 posted on 04/14/2020 8:26:40 AM PDT by Don Corleone (The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth)
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John is wrong, it was to prevent an overwhelming of the healthcare system. It is a virus that spreads quickly, so we needed a mechanism to slow that transmission speed down in an effort to get back on top of the virus.


7 posted on 04/14/2020 8:28:50 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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They pull a bate and switch.... Healthcare Capacity..... to the lockdown saved lives... Now eople are scared to death..for no reason...... they have not proved it saved lives .... it may have saved a few but to destroy the economy.. And it is not coming back fast with 50 governors running the show
8 posted on 04/14/2020 8:29:26 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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9 posted on 04/14/2020 8:32:54 AM PDT by amorphous
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Im jiggy with the shutdown through April, to help the medical system cope with this new disease, give FEMA and the states time to gear up, give time for research and coming up with treatment protocols ....the later you can wait to be infected, the more effective will be the treatment you get

Maybe also into May in NY, as we slide down the other side of the huge curve there

I want my doctor to be able to phone in a prescription for hydroxy and a zpac....pretty much what is happening now in several other countries


15 posted on 04/14/2020 8:35:41 AM PDT by silverleaf (Remember kids: You can vote your way into communism, but you have to shoot your way out!)
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Well don’t worry about our hospitals right now in many areas. RN’s and Dr’s given layoffs, reduced pay, take your vacation now or we don’t need you etc. Lots of medical personnel will need the stimulus help for the next pay out. Thanks a lot Farci and Debbie Dix.


18 posted on 04/14/2020 8:37:04 AM PDT by Hattie
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Well said...it’s just the flu, bro.

Sweden’s situation very similar to every other country’s situation even though they didn’t social distance - so why do it?


19 posted on 04/14/2020 8:37:40 AM PDT by impimp
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Hinderacker further writes “During last year’s flu season, according to the CDC, 490,561 people in the U.S. were hospitalized due to the seasonal flu virus. The prior year, it was 810,000 flu hospitalizations. This explains why, as we noted here, America’s hospitals have not been overwhelmed by the number of Wuhan flu sufferers, not even in New York City.”

Take a look at #FilmYourHospital for citizen-filmed evidence that hospitals across the country are not busy except in NYC.


29 posted on 04/14/2020 8:46:08 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Sorry. I’m too busy flattening my checking account.


35 posted on 04/14/2020 8:50:58 AM PDT by moovova
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We didn’t know.
Fair predictions were made. People were dying from a fast moving disease which clearly wasn’t “just the flu”. China was freaking out; lying (of course) about what was happening, but actions spoke loudly.
Shutdowns did slow it enough to figure out the hydroxychloronique cocktail which saved many lives.
Italy did suffer overloaded hospitals.
Lethal pandemics do happen.
1 in 100 dead wasn’t an unreasonable prediction.
Lots of people were going to self-isolate anyway, to an economy-damaging degree.

The response wasn’t going to be ideal.
Question is: which kind of wrong would you rather be?


54 posted on 04/14/2020 9:10:26 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (Interesting how those so interested in workERS are so disinterested in workING.)
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This was a “lose/lose” situation. To curve or not to curve....?

It is likely that nearly same number of people will become infected.

It is likely that fewer people will die from it because of lowering the curve and spreading out the infections over a longer period of time.

This lowering, bought us very much needed TIME! Time to ramp up production, procurement, testing of medical supplies. Come up with and testing new treatments. Get a jump on creating vaccines. Educate and train the public about ways to avoid infecting others. Learn valuable lessons on dealing with future diseases by incorporating systems and management techniques/procedures now that will be at the ready for the next attack.

It (lowering the curve) was NOT for “nothing”. It just wasn’t the magic pill everyone thought it could be, it NEVER was supposed to be.

People are under the general impression that “we can fix ANYTHING”, we CAN’T!

The global warming/climate change people embrace this canard. Even IF it were true, THERE IS ***NOTHING*** WE COULD DO ABOUT IT. NOTHING! The Erff is a YUGE place. We meager humans (a pimple on an elephants ass) have not the capacity to make that kind of change. We just DON’T.

Turning off the economy was a political choice. Going with the “herd immunity” option, which was technically the better option from many perspectives, was NEVER politically viable. MILLIONS or HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of DEAD was NEVER an option. It would have been “political suicide” for decision makers.

So, for all the nipping at our heels over “we should have done this”, “we should have done that”, “we should have done this SOONER”, “we should have done that SOONER”, “we should have never done this/that” are wasting our time.

IT DOESN’T MATTER ONE BIT! Society doesn’t have the balls for implementing “herd immunity” PERIOD!

IT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN! GET OVER IT!


56 posted on 04/14/2020 9:20:32 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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The metric that matters is whether hospitals are being overwhelmed.


57 posted on 04/14/2020 9:22:00 AM PDT by Yardstick
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Do we really know that our hospitals would have been overwhelmed without the social distancing, closures, and lock-ins? What is the experience of other countries where the restrictions were fewer? How about past epidemics involving similar viruses? It’s troubling that there are so many Freepers who take it as given that this virus spreads much faster than others.


60 posted on 04/14/2020 9:27:09 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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“This is becoming the BIG LIE.” Is it?

“During last year’s flu season, according to the CDC, 490,561 people in the U.S. were hospitalized due to the seasonal flu virus.”

Is that a year 365 Days? The Wuhan flu as not been with us a year.

New York had over 195000 cases since March 1 (7 weeks). How many cases were reported of the Flu for the same time period last year in New York?

If New York city did not set social distancing and lock down rules, would the healthcare sytem been overwhelm?

Italy and Spain did not implemented social distancing and lock down until it was too late.

Can we use Italy and Spain as an example of what happens if you do not social distance and lock down?
Did the Flu overwhelm the hospital system last year in Italy and Spain?

Sweden’s situation very similar to every other country’s situation even though they didn’t social distance - so why do it? Sweden did encourage Social Distancing, they did not enforce it or force business to lock down. Note: Sweden is just getting started.

Worldometers Sweden currently have 1133 total cases/1M population and 102 total deaths / 1M population BNO has 8.39% death rate
Worldometers USA currently have 1786 total cases/1M population and 74 total deaths / 1M population BNO has 4.14% death rate

Those are interesting numbers. Does Sweden have a New York or other Big cites with people living on top of each other?


73 posted on 04/14/2020 9:45:17 AM PDT by DEPcom (It will be 2x to 8x worst then the flu)
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It is one big roller coaster of incline,decline,slopes,curves and massaged numbers perpetrated by those who hate Trump and want to “transform” America.


77 posted on 04/14/2020 9:54:44 AM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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Some viruses have incubation periods of many weeks. Polio can incubate for up to 40 days before lowering the boom.

As of today not one single person on the entire planet can scientifically prove what this virus actually does to humans.

So. What should a wise leader do?


93 posted on 04/14/2020 10:45:14 AM PDT by Spruce
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