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WE NEVER NEEDED TO FLATTEN THE CURVE
Powerline ^ | APRIL 14, 2020 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 04/14/2020 8:21:31 AM PDT by Hojczyk

The theory behind curve-flattening is not that the virus will mysteriously disappear while we are all hunkered down, and we will emerge when it is safe to come out. That won’t happen. The point of curve-flattening is to prolong the epidemic, making it last longer than it otherwise would, as you can see in the curve-flattening diagrams. That way, more or less the same number will get sick and the same percentage will die, with one exception: our hospitals will not be overwhelmed by a crush of COVID-19 cases, and so ICU rooms and so on will be available for those who need them. That was the point of the shutdowns–to flatten the curve by stretching out the epidemic.

We know now, the COVID-19 virus was grossly overestimated, at least with respect to the demand its victims would place on hospitals. Weirdly, it is not easy to find a definitive figure for the number of hospitalizations to date. The Centers for Disease Control estimates, if you do the arithmetic, that as of April 4 around 41,250 people were hospitalized due to COVID-19, which seems too low. The COVID Tracking Project pegs it at 62,673 as of April 13. Does that sound like a lot of hospitalizations? As usual, the numbers need a context.

During last year’s flu season, according to the CDC, 490,561 people in the U.S. were hospitalized due to the seasonal flu virus. The prior year, it was 810,000 flu hospitalizations. This explains why, as we noted here, America’s hospitals have not been overwhelmed by the number of Wuhan flu sufferers, not even in New York City.

Once again, government officials are making decisions with catastrophic effects on many millions of lives, on the basis of models that have proved to be wrong. The shutdowns should end tomorrow.

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To: freebird5850

Hmmmm....

Well none.

She still feeds me very well. I’ll be 78 in two weeks so some attention is not relevant


21 posted on 04/14/2020 8:39:12 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: brownsfan

We are stupid. We pick the dumbest, most corrupt among us, to lead us.

“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””
Are you talking about President Trump?


22 posted on 04/14/2020 8:41:33 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: going hot

We had zucchini with dinner last night yum!


23 posted on 04/14/2020 8:42:06 AM PDT by freebird5850 (The only way I can treat this fever....More cowbell!)
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To: Robert DeLong

yes the virus is so fast that my hospital basically is half full with staff being told to stay at home and wait for the “surge”.....the surge never happened...


24 posted on 04/14/2020 8:43:56 AM PDT by cherry
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To: freebird5850
So just have to ask the men here. How many times has your wife or girlfriend refused any interaction. I’m up to 4 now.

My wife and I played Monopoly just last night. So I'm okay.

25 posted on 04/14/2020 8:44:37 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: Repeal The 17th
John makes that very statement in the article’s 1st paragraph:
“...more or less the same number will get sick and the same percentage will die, with one exception: our hospitals will not be overwhelmed by a crush of COVID-19 cases, and so ICU rooms and so on will be available for those who need them...”

Except that neither the X axis or the Y axis of the graph shows total deaths. If Hinderaker has any evidence showing that doing nothing would reduce the total number of deaths, or even keep them roughly equal to those who died with protective measures, then I wish he'd trot it out.

26 posted on 04/14/2020 8:45:10 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Math doesn’t care what “experts”, or anyone else, thinks. :)


27 posted on 04/14/2020 8:45:46 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: impimp
The fire department that I retired from tested every member. 11 tested positive. 10 had no symptoms, 1 had symptoms that he believed were from the high pollen count we are currently having.
28 posted on 04/14/2020 8:45:52 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: Hojczyk

Hinderacker further writes “During last year’s flu season, according to the CDC, 490,561 people in the U.S. were hospitalized due to the seasonal flu virus. The prior year, it was 810,000 flu hospitalizations. This explains why, as we noted here, America’s hospitals have not been overwhelmed by the number of Wuhan flu sufferers, not even in New York City.”

Take a look at #FilmYourHospital for citizen-filmed evidence that hospitals across the country are not busy except in NYC.


29 posted on 04/14/2020 8:46:08 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’d not be counting on an effective vaccine. We have no vaccine for the common cold and the flu vaccines are not necessarily safe or effective.


30 posted on 04/14/2020 8:47:07 AM PDT by Wm F Buckley Republican
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To: Robert DeLong
Come on, man! At least read the first two paragraphs...
The theory behind curve-flattening is not that the virus will mysteriously disappear while we are all hunkered down, and we will emerge when it is safe to come out. That won’t happen. The point of curve-flattening is to prolong the epidemic, making it last longer than it otherwise would, as you can see in the curve-flattening diagrams. That way, more or less the same number will get sick and the same percentage will die, with one exception: our hospitals will not be overwhelmed by a crush of COVID-19 cases, and so ICU rooms and so on will be available for those who need them.

31 posted on 04/14/2020 8:48:40 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Robert DeLong

The virus spreads quickly. The virus that is harmless to 99.9% of those infected. Don’t confuse having the virus as having the disease.


32 posted on 04/14/2020 8:48:59 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn....)
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To: Hojczyk

It not just healthcare capacity, it’s also so healthcare works don’t become sick which would dramatically reduce capacity.


33 posted on 04/14/2020 8:49:45 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Repeal The 17th
..CFR is very low...almost all people who even get the covid stay at home....a small group of people get hospitalized, mostly because they have comorbidities and need oxygen, and of that group who are hospitalized, a tiny minority go to the ICU....

the shutdown I am beginning to realize was for reasons other than protecting all us slobs and rabble out here.....

34 posted on 04/14/2020 8:50:24 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Hojczyk

Sorry. I’m too busy flattening my checking account.


35 posted on 04/14/2020 8:50:58 AM PDT by moovova
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To: brownsfan

“We are stupid. We pick the dumbest, most corrupt among us, to lead us.”

Don’t be so obvious with your Trump hatred.


36 posted on 04/14/2020 8:51:32 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Hojczyk

Try running an integration of the numbers beneath each curve for not only number of cases, but number of deaths. It might surprise that the numbers between the two curves are pretty close to the same, maybe higher under the protective measures curve because the length of time is stretched out further. Lock the population away and you protect them from exposure which means you now have a large part of the population who has built no immunity (herd immunity) and are now more vulnerable to the virus than if nothing had been done. Vaccines to these viruses do not build lasting immunity which is why we immunize against flu and pneumonia every year. Flattening the curve is only useful to slow the infection rate while massing resources to fight it. After a week or two, it makes things worse.


37 posted on 04/14/2020 8:51:45 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: DoodleDawg

“neither the X axis or the Y axis of the graph shows total deaths”
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uhhhh ... maybe because deaths is not what is being graphed?


38 posted on 04/14/2020 8:52:19 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Whatever the correct strategy was for completely tanking the entire US, no global economy, what seems abundantly clear at this moment is that Democrats and their corrupt MSM partners have a vested interest in keeping America shut down.

Once the robust Trump economy was terminated Trump’s strongest campaign plank was removed. And now, the media and Democrats prey on abject fear of the populace to keep everything locked down. Democrats can now easily frame EVERYTHING as safety and protecting people. The move, especially among Dem governors to reopen their states will be as slow as they can politically get away with. THe longer they can hamstring the economy, the better chance they have of getting Trump. This is their clear strategy.


39 posted on 04/14/2020 8:53:58 AM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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To: Robert DeLong
John is wrong, it was to prevent an overwhelming of the healthcare system.

You are right. People in places without a significant outbreak yet don't see the load on the healthcare system that happens when there is a rapid growth of cases, and the large number of deaths and severe illness concentrated into a small period of time. Avoiding a sudden, amplified version of what is happening in New York is very important.

40 posted on 04/14/2020 8:55:28 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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