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CDC data suggests coronavirus may have been in California as early as December
Just the news ^ | April 12, 2020 - 8:41am | Daniel Payne

Posted on 04/12/2020 4:23:31 PM PDT by Hojczyk

A 'severe flu season' may have actually been the virus moving through the population, officials say.

Though the first confirmed case of COVID-19 in the United States was declared Jan. 20, preliminary evidence from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicates that the disease may have actually been present in the United States at least a month earlier than that.

Jeff Smith, a doctor and the county executive officer of Santa Clara County, told officials in that district this week that the disease had been "freewheeling" in the Bay Area possibly "for quite some time" prior to the earliest official estimates.

Smith told officials that the CDC and local health authorities have collected data that suggest the virus may very well have been present as early as December 2019. That would be weeks earlier than the first confirmed case of the disease in the Bay Area, which was announced in late January.

California was reportedly in the grip of a severe flu outbreak up to the point that health authorities began searching for coronavirus in the state. At least some of those illnesses may have been COVID-19 spreading unaware throughout the state.

The data, if validated, may partially confirm anecdotal reports circulating on social media, that have suggested a significantly earlier spread of the virus in the United States than what has been estimated. Numerous users on Facebook and Twitter in recent months have claimed to have been stricken in December and early January by an illness with symptoms identical to those of COVID-19.

Multiple scientists and health authorities have concluded that the virus likely originated in Wuhan, China in November.

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To: Hojczyk

And the CDC did what about it in December?

Inquiring minds would sure as hell like to know.


21 posted on 04/12/2020 4:45:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Some of the folks around these parts have been sniffing super flu.)
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To: Hojczyk

Inconceivable!


22 posted on 04/12/2020 4:47:55 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Professional

Agree, if I had to place a bet on CA I would say November. Around this time is when almost everyone in northern CA was talking about a bug going around that zapped you pretty good. Everyone just chalked it up to the flu.

No runs on the hospitals, no dead lining the street, just a relatively early start to what looked to be a decent flu season.


23 posted on 04/12/2020 4:48:22 PM PDT by walkingdead (By the time you realize this is not worth reading, it will be too late....)
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To: cgbg

Except that they won’t be given.


24 posted on 04/12/2020 4:49:08 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Hojczyk

Sure. Are we talking 1-2, or are we talking hundreds of thousands? 1-2 could have been missed and died out or grown slowly enough to blend in with cases from China and Europe.

Hundreds of thousands is implausible unless we assume all of the doctors and radiologists went stupid.


25 posted on 04/12/2020 4:49:56 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Hojczyk
With the barrage of all this coronavirus stuff the suggestible hypochondriacs of the world must be in agony, i myself have conjured up most of the symptoms but haven't been able to fake a fever yet.😎
26 posted on 04/12/2020 4:51:07 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: Hojczyk

Nice of them to cite the CDC without giving any information whatsoever *from* the CDC.


27 posted on 04/12/2020 4:51:47 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: cgbg

where are the freaking antibody tests?
Where are the freaking Corona tests for that matter?
We were hearing a rapid test was developed, then... crickets.
Heard S Korea was sending millions of their own tests, then...crickets.
Where the hell are they?


28 posted on 04/12/2020 4:52:07 PM PDT by a real Sheila (Love my golden retrievers!)
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To: Professional

You are correct, IMO. A friend and her spouse got sick after he returned from a trip to Italy and Amsterdam in late Nov. They got sick in Dec. He wasn’t too bad off, but had symptoms of a BAD cold he could not shake with a dry cough. She, however, felt like an elephant was sitting on her chest and couldn’t climb the stairs in her house without having to sit down mid flight and take a break. Said she coughed up the most horrid stuff she has ever seen, all at once. Said her ordeal lasted about 4 weeks from start to end.


29 posted on 04/12/2020 4:56:01 PM PDT by a real Sheila (Love my golden retrievers!)
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To: gas_dr

Very true AND we have a population of 40 million!!


30 posted on 04/12/2020 4:56:08 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: Hojczyk

We are in So Cal and we all had the what we called the “ICK” back in early December it made the rounds in our circle of family and friends it sucked but we all thought it the flu


31 posted on 04/12/2020 4:58:15 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom Hi Dad)
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To: Professional

I had several friends that had a very nasty flu however tested negative for flu, they missed work for 2-3 weeks eventually were well and back at work but they said they were really sick this was a couple of weeks after Thanksgiving!! I worked at a major grocery chain at the time didn’t seem to spread everywhere 5 or 6 ended up with it!!!


32 posted on 04/12/2020 5:01:09 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: glasseye

They said that tests conclusions would be released Friday if I recall correctly l.


33 posted on 04/12/2020 5:04:39 PM PDT by walkingdead (By the time you realize this is not worth reading, it will be too late....)
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To: cgbg

This. And I’m going to withold.comment until some actual data comes in.


34 posted on 04/12/2020 5:14:00 PM PDT by Moonlighter
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To: Hojczyk

Its VERY possible I know a few people who swear they were infected with it, tested negative for influenza B and want the antibody test..but I just keep on thinking, I went to the mall once a week for my job, every Friday like clockwork, this particular mall in LA is a place where tourists go, from China, Italy, etc, mainly Chinese, Id walk around, go to the apple store, go to the farmers market across the street, if this virus were circulating in LA around that time, how come I didnt get it, I basically get sick from anyone who coughs within 10 feet of me, so am I immune to this or was it not as rampant in LA during that time


35 posted on 04/12/2020 5:18:39 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Hojczyk

The alleged “influenza” season peaked on the East Side of King County (metro Seattle) in late January.

I have lived here 15 years, and during that period of time I have never encountered so many sick people coughing, sneezing, and blowing their nose as I did during that two week period.

I’m retired, and I actually thought about avoiding the mall, the grocery stores, and the outdoor track in my local park on my evening walk each night - it was that obvious!

One month later, the medical tragedy at the Kirkland, WA, nursing home began, and at least 35 residents died with the China Flu in their blood.

There is (was) a huge amount of travel between north Asia and King County.

Just in my medium sized suburban city, we have three Korean churches.


36 posted on 04/12/2020 5:25:05 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Hojczyk

Yesterday’s numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Current_number_of_non-repatriated_cases_by_state_and_territory

California

Cases 20,615

Deaths 609

Recoveries 307

Hospital 2,825

Today’s numbers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_California#Timeline

Cases 21,794

Deaths 651


37 posted on 04/12/2020 5:37:09 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Hojczyk

Is California not tracing contacts? Other states have been doing so, and testing reveals negatives outnumbering positives by more than ten to one. So there’s no great percentage of cases in the wild.


38 posted on 04/12/2020 5:39:20 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: Professional

I know someone who had the symptoms but tested negative for flu in early Dec. A November arrival makes sense. The virus didn’t just stay in China for 2 months then just one day decide to jump to the US.


39 posted on 04/12/2020 6:07:05 PM PDT by matt04
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To: al baby

“The Ick”

That is exactly what I called it, the Ick. Lasted about a month. My son and I both had it. Like the flu, but different. Good thing the weather was warm here in Torrance.


40 posted on 04/12/2020 6:12:43 PM PDT by Dawggie
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