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The over-12% death rates among CV19 patients in Italy and the UK represent the death rate among CV19 patients in countries whose medical systems have been overwhelmed. Granted, Italy and the UK have inferior healthcare systems.

Given that CV19 is about 4 times as easy to transmit as a flu virus it's easy to see how it could run rampant without mitigation. In case this were to happen in the United States it would overwhelm our far superior medical system and we would be looking at an overall population death rate of 12%.

We each rely on each other to keep this from happening.

1 posted on 04/09/2020 4:53:59 PM PDT by nagant
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To: nagant

What kind of BS did you just invent? One logical flaw after another. Fallacy on top of fallacy.


2 posted on 04/09/2020 4:59:27 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: nagant

Don’t forget that in the US, if you have a heart attack, and the EMT has COVID-19, and you die, the cause of death will be listed as COVID-19.


3 posted on 04/09/2020 4:59:48 PM PDT by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: nagant

Did you actually think about this or even run your own numbers?
12% death on the overall population?
330,000,000 x 12% = 39,600,000

Care to moderate your insanity?


5 posted on 04/09/2020 5:02:28 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety (9)
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To: nagant
"COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far," Ghebreyesus said. That means containment is still possible, he added. "We don't even talk about containment for seasonal flu — it's just not possible. But it is possible for COVID-19," Ghebreyesus said. "We don't do contact tracing for seasonal flu, but countries should do it for COVID-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives." Coronavirus Compared To Flu
7 posted on 04/09/2020 5:03:35 PM PDT by Kalija (I said.)
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To: nagant

I’m pretty sure your figures are out of date by several days.


9 posted on 04/09/2020 5:04:29 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: nagant
Please see my post on the proper relative comparison of deaths across the world, adjusting for timing and population differences.

As I wrote elsewhere, the US is right where you'd expect:

-Those countries with adjusted low case counts like Austria, Portugal, and Denmark have dutiful citizens that respond well to the demands of the common good over their individuality.

-Those countries with high case counts have surrendered their individuality and national identity to mob rule.

It's a bit like gun control: we’ll never have zero cases in America because we’re crazy individualists who distrust authority and love freedom. That means we'll usually run a little hotter on things like crime. But we won’t be like the UK and Italy and Belgium and their yuge relative death count.

10 posted on 04/09/2020 5:04:48 PM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2)
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To: nagant

In case this were to happen in the United States it would overwhelm our far superior medical system and we would be looking at an overall population death rate of 12%.


So are you predicting that the infection rate will reach 100%?

I do know the ‘herd immunity’ theory assumed an infection rate of 68% for the particular disease. The flu, albeit with vaccines in place, generally doesn’t top 10%. I suspect that unmitigated, and assuming the new treatments were to fall through in regards fatalities, the maximum infection rate would be between those bounds.


12 posted on 04/09/2020 5:09:26 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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In fairness to everyone on both sides of the argument - there is simply not enough data to form conclusions because of the unknowns. Until we test a huge representative sample of people regionally we will not be able to make such sweeping conclusions given that upwards of 80% of people are asymptomatic and are unlikely to be tested.

We will also NOT be able to use one set of data nationwide. The regional fluctuation means that numbers in NYC for example will not fit Fargo, ND, or Seattle will not fit the rest of Washington state.

This is my frustration with the doom doctors at the daily briefings. They are grasping at every bit of data, but what does it really tell us without sufficient testing? They are spitting out the only numbers they have, but they are not sufficient in my opinion to make long term projections.


21 posted on 04/09/2020 5:24:03 PM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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The US is the size of many smaller countries within it, both by population and geography. So we should compare New York to a New York size country. Texas to a Texas size country. Washington to a Washington size country.

But it is even more specific than that. New York Metro is not typical of New York state. In reverse, sparsely populated SW GA is not typical of Georgia.

Basing conclusions on composite numbers of different facts is not the best way to look at reality.


23 posted on 04/09/2020 5:27:31 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: nagant

UK has not been overwhelmed


30 posted on 04/09/2020 5:44:25 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: nagant
said, "overall population death rate of 12%"

you have got to be joking right? Some kind of troll?

There are no statistics that can come to that rate of death of the overall population.

You're simply conflating rate of death of those tested and rate of death of the infected. It's not the same thing

33 posted on 04/09/2020 6:15:18 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: nagant

worldometers == statistics out of Shanghai china


34 posted on 04/09/2020 6:16:25 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: nagant

An overall population death rate of 12%? - 40 million dead in USA? Hyperbole much?


35 posted on 04/09/2020 6:23:44 PM PDT by impimp
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To: nagant

FYI, CV-19 was a WWII aircraft carrier, aka USS Hancock, not a virus.


45 posted on 04/10/2020 3:54:56 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (This tagline is an advertisement-free zone.)
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To: nagant

Pulled that one out of your posterior, I see.


50 posted on 04/11/2020 5:54:31 AM PDT by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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