Doctors Puzzle Over COVID-19 Lung Problems

Web MD.com ^ | April 7, 2020 | Brenda Goodman MA

[dp0622]

It was “as if tens of thousands of my fellow New Yorkers are stuck on a plane at 30,000 feet ...

Yeah we all gotta stop smoking so much pot here.

[gov_bean_ counter]

If you don’t know the conditions of the lungs beforehand then you can’t know the amount of damage caused by he Chicom Virus.

[arthurus]

Why chloroquine works and ventilators are the WRONG tool

[Quality_Not_Quantity]

I just read that the virus attacks one or more of the types of hemoglobin molecules; it is those that the lungs usually help deal with, except that the sheer quantity of them overwhelms the lungs.

[tinyowl]

Sounds like the lungs are fine (in these early stages) but the blood isn’t carrying the oxygen to the rest of the body ... Covid is binding onto something that prevents the oxygen payload from getting attached to the blood cells ... not oxygen gets delivered .. hence they look fine but low oxygen, or it seems like hypoxia / dropped off high on a mountain.

[Yollopoliuhqui]

Yep, make that link go viral.

[arthurus]

It needs to.

[buridan]

Hope Boris Johnson’s doctors know all this.

[House Atreides]

It’s the effect of the COVID-19 virus on the person’s hemoglobin and released iron causing problems in the body’s systems. Good lungs but the body is starved for oxygen.

[House Atreides]

Thanks for posting that link!

[saintgermaine]

As explained in one of the articles posted a while ago, this virus interferes with he transporation of oxygen, hence the difficulty in breathing. Below is an excerpt of this article...

1) Without the iron ion, hemoglobin can no longer bind to oxygen. Once all the hemoglobin is impaired, the red blood cell is essentially turned into a Freightliner truck cab with no trailer and no ability to store its cargo.. it is useless and just running around with COVID-19 virus attached to its porphyrin. All these useless trucks running around not delivering oxygen is what starts to lead to desaturation, or watching the patient’s spo2 levels drop. It is INCORRECT to assume traditional ARDS and in doing so, you’re treating the WRONG DISEASE.

Think of it a lot like carbon monoxide poisoning, in which CO is bound to the hemoglobin, making it unable to carry oxygen. In those cases, ventilators aren’t treating the root cause; the patient’s lungs aren’t ‘tiring out’, they’re pumping just fine. The red blood cells just can’t carry o2, end of story. Only in this case, unlike CO poisoning in which eventually the CO can break off, the affected hemoglobin is permanently stripped of its ability to carry o2 because it has lost its iron ion.

The body compensates for this lack of o2 carrying capacity and deliveries by having your kidneys release hormones like erythropoietin, which tell your bone marrow factories to ramp up production on new red blood cells with freshly made and fully functioning hemoglobin. This is the reason you find elevated hemoglobin and decreased blood oxygen saturation as one of the 3 primary indicators of whether the shit is about to hit the fan for a particular patient or not.

[faithhopecharity]

and the problem could also be in the blood, like lowered oxygen uptake by hemoglobin etc

[KarlInOhio]

In normal breathing, our lungs expand because of negative pressure. A large thin muscle at the bottom of the lungs, called the diaphragm, pulls down and our lungs expand to fill the increased space. But ventilators work by forcing air into the lungs, which is positive pressure, like what happens when you blow up a balloon.

So you may need some type of negative pressure breathing machine? Don't tell me that New York scrapped all of their iron lungs too.

[caver]

Doctors are still puzzled over cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc.

[Ouchthatonehurt]

So cancel the ventilator order?

[Robert DeLong]

No, follow the link provided in post#4 above yours.

[Huskrrrr]

Bmrk

[sbnsd]

bkmk

[Redwood71]

Ards occurs when fluid builds up in the tiny, elastic air sacs (alveoli) in your lungs. The fluid keeps your lungs from filling with enough air, which means less oxygen reaches your bloodstream....pulsox. This deprives your organs of the oxygen they need to function.

Pneumonia is an infection in one or both lungs. Bacteria, viruses, and fungi cause it. The infection causes inflammation in the air sacs in your lungs, which are called alveoli. The alveoli fill with fluid making it difficult to breathe. Severe cases of pneumonia usually affect all five lobes of the lungs. It will lower your oxygen/blood saturation (pulsox)

Their symptoms are almost completely the same if not the same:

Severe shortness of breath
Labored and unusually rapid breathing
Low blood pressure
Confusion and extreme tiredness

Plus the severity of each can be hard to fathom as they effect people differently. Some people are said to have walking pneumonia which is just a light case where the body handles it better. Pre-existing conditions effect both but both can cause blood clots, collapsed lung (pneumothorax), further related infections, and lung scarring (pulmonary fibrosis).

Plus, many survivors end up with potentially serious and sometimes lasting effects like breathing problems,
depression, problems with memory and thinking clearly, and easy exhaustion and muscle weakness.

So they are really very much alike which leads me to determine that they are the same as they are created by an outside source and accomplish the same goals.

rwood