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Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients
Kaiser Health News ^ | Apr 6, 2020 | Markian Hawryluk

Posted on 04/06/2020 4:27:53 AM PDT by DannyTN

... As more data comes in from China and Italy, as well as Washington state and New York, more cardiac experts are coming to believe the COVID-19 virus can infect the heart muscle. An initial study found cardiac damage in as many as 1 in 5 patients, leading to heart failure and death even among those who show no signs of respiratory distress.

That could change the way doctors and hospitals need to think about patients, particularly in the early stages of illness. It also could open up a second front in the battle against the COVID-19 pandemic, with a need for new precautions in people with preexisting heart problems, new demands for equipment and, ultimately, new treatment plans for damaged hearts among those who survive. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at khn.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; covid19; truth
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To: David Chase; billyboy15

My ex, who worked in the medical field, referred to Doctors as “the Anointed Ones”. You could hear the capital letters when she said it.

It was not a complement.


101 posted on 04/06/2020 6:52:16 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: DannyTN

Funny, we don’t know if hydroxycloroquine is an effective treatment for Covid-19 because there haven’t been any controlled peer-reviewed studies of its effects, so the media finds it irresponsible and anecdotal to even mention the possibility.

But there are no controlled peer-reviewed studies of this heart-damage from Covid-19. Why so eager to report, then?


102 posted on 04/06/2020 6:52:23 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: billyboy15

Oh.

So perhaps it’s better to stay healthy and avoid them.

Not sure what a “G-d complex” is though. Sounds pretty negative.

I’ve known many Doctors, on a professional and personal level. Nothing I say will change your mind and that’s not even my intent.

So stay well, be safe.


103 posted on 04/06/2020 6:52:36 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: Mom MD

You don’t see any benefit in using Guayaquil as a comparative case study of Covid-19 in the wild with nearly no mitigation and no remediation?

It seems to me you have very little intellectual curiosity.


104 posted on 04/06/2020 6:53:17 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: nuconvert; petitfour
petitfour ~ Amazingly, more can be made.

nuconvert ~ If it were that easy, Trump wouldn’t be asking the Indians to share their supply.

If it were that difficult, India wouldn't be sharing their supply!

105 posted on 04/06/2020 6:55:16 AM PDT by null and void (By the pricking of my lungs, Something wicked this way comes ...)
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To: Travis McGee

and it seems to me you are peddling fear and books. good day


106 posted on 04/06/2020 6:55:57 AM PDT by Mom MD
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To: gas_dr

Yeah. Well at least I am doing something to help

God Speed and
Good Luck

And by Good luck I mean f*** off


107 posted on 04/06/2020 6:56:18 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: SmokingJoe

You know what fight I hope to win, SmokingJoe?

My imminent trip to the grocery store.

You’re just words on my screen. So very much less consequential and dangerous.

Have a good day, Joe.


108 posted on 04/06/2020 6:57:09 AM PDT by chris37 (Coronavirus wasn't born in a bowl of bat soup.)
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To: gas_dr

Someone told me you were an anesthesiologist, which would make sense with your user name.

So my comment about putting people to sleep at work, was not implying you killed your patients.

Sorry, if I got it wrong.

As far as not adding anything to the discussion.

I remember you using deaths per population early on to reassure people, when it was meaningless and had no predictive power.

I remember mentioning HCQ + Azithromycin and you saying you weren’t sure azithromycin. And telling you I had seen an article that it had some anti-viral properties especially in the bronchial tubes. You came around. At least you learn.

I remember a couple of weeks ago, you saying that NY had a 0.6% case mortailty rate and dropping. And I think I told you that while I hoped it held, it was too early. That other locations were starting low and rising. What is the case mortality rate in NY now? 3.4%. Dr. Fauci was low balling when he said 1%.

You’re making the same mistake again with the NY drop in deaths. One day doesn’t a trend make. Again, I hope it is the start of a trend. And some point the social distancing should take effect in the new case stats, and new treatment protocols in the deaths.

And to put some meat in this humble pie I’m serving up, my “formal” clinical training amounts to 2 hours of CPR training from the local fire department. But google is a great equalizer. I’m not discounting your education. The medical knowledge out there is too vast for anyone to know it all.

I did go review your posts after that last post, and you have started to post some useful information. Good for you. Keep it up. I looked at your post a couple of weeks ago, but there was nothing there except flubro type stuff. Good to see the change.


109 posted on 04/06/2020 6:57:18 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: gas_dr

You are the bully, doctor. And an arrogant one at that.

If you were my doctor, I’d fire you. CCP-19 or not.


110 posted on 04/06/2020 6:58:15 AM PDT by chris37 (Coronavirus wasn't born in a bowl of bat soup.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

There are also no randomized double blinded studies about jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. Yet I am pretty sure that If you do jump you should have a parachute

But it’s only anecdotal evidence.


111 posted on 04/06/2020 6:58:16 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: chris37

That’s ok. I wouldn’t have you as my patient. So no harm.


112 posted on 04/06/2020 6:59:34 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: gas_dr

Yep, that’s about what I’d expect from you.

SMH


113 posted on 04/06/2020 7:01:14 AM PDT by chris37 (Coronavirus wasn't born in a bowl of bat soup.)
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To: null and void

I’ve known many. Some very skilled and gifted, some not.

Arrogance? Very few.

It’s kind of difficult to be an a$$hole while attempting to resuscitate a kid that drowned. Or a young women shot in the face, or workin’ a cardiac code.


114 posted on 04/06/2020 7:01:35 AM PDT by David Chase
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To: lonevoice

Uh, oh.


115 posted on 04/06/2020 7:02:33 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: gas_dr

“Prayers to you and I rejoice in your recovery with you.”

Thank you very much.

I’m a bit paranoid of going back to work in 3 weeks. The virus hit so quick I didn’t develop a fever. My temperature actually dropped 1.5 degrees from the night before to the ER. I was put on anti-virals and antibiotics right away so I don’t think I built anti-bodies for whatever I had. Not sure I could weather another bout of that anytime soon.


116 posted on 04/06/2020 7:03:44 AM PDT by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: null and void

India is the largest supplier in the world and they cut off 1/2 of our supply. Are you saying that they have announced that they will deliver more to us? That would be great.


117 posted on 04/06/2020 7:12:42 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: chris37

Well Chris37, if you appeared in my ICU, you would get world class and cutting edge care and according to the last stats run on me you would have a significantly better chance of survival in my hands than other doctors in other institutions. So, if you can’t throw insults and not expect some pushback, well I am sorry, take your snowflake perspective and head on over to DU. You will feel more comfortable there no doubt.


118 posted on 04/06/2020 7:17:28 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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To: SmokingJoe

there is no answering you.

I think my reputation is pretty good here at FR.

And so do others.


119 posted on 04/06/2020 7:18:07 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Travis McGee

This will be my last communication to you, you arrogant, little child. Attack me all you want, but dont you dare attack my colleagues whom I speak with on the phone from time to time. Many doctors here on FR have an informal network.

What I do know is that the woman who you have attacked of having little intellectual curiosity is on the way to her hospital to treat this very illness today. she is a front line doctor and she is also raising the next generation of doctors.

What I do know, is that the woman whom you say has no intellectual curiosity is one of of the brightest minds in all of medicine, having earned her degree significantly earlier the most and with highest honors.

Your judgment of no intellectual curiosity is the definition of narcissistic delusion and if you want to wage an intellectual curiosity war with her, to quote the movie — you are way out of your league.

You are nothing more than a two bit harlot and purveyor of doom and gloom hiding in some sort of self agrandizing delusion that you are relevant or noteworthy. You are not. Your sewage marks you as an ignoramus of the highest order.

I will pray that some day you have wisdom and discernment, but in the meantime, you and your ad hominem attacks should be banned permanently from this site, and you should seriously seek the professional help you desperately need.


120 posted on 04/06/2020 7:22:35 AM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers AND POLITICIANS are Endangering Every Patient in America: INCLUDING THEIR LIBERTIES)
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