Posted on 04/04/2020 12:12:42 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
You missed his point that you have to quarantine the most vulnerable and then let the virus run. It’s the elderly and infirm that overwhelm the healthcare system if they aren’t isolated first.
Looked promising too bad this had to added to list.
Good post. I wasn’t aware that Germany did that, by the way.
Germany should be one of the first to get antibody testing underway then, so they know when they can tell seniors that it’s relatively safe to rejoin society. Those who want to wait for a vaccine can stay self-isolated.
[You missed his point that you have to quarantine the most vulnerable and then let the virus run. It’s the elderly and infirm that overwhelm the healthcare system if they aren’t isolated first.]
Thanks for mentioning this.
A guy from nordland on German and Swedish stats:
Even deaths can be covered up because a lot of people who die are going to be elderly who haven’t been tested and they’re not planning to test most of the dead. Curiously the people who are dying after being tested positive are disproportionately migrants
https://www.thelocal.se/20200310/timeline-how-the-coronavirus-has-developed-in-sweden
“Thirty-three people have died so far after testing positive for the new coronavirus, including 15 in Stockholm. Of those, at least six were Somali-Swedes, a board member of an association for Somali-Swedish medical doctors in Sweden told public broadcaster SVT’s current affairs programme Agenda.”
Instead of locking down they country they simply advised people on social distancing and a lot of the “new Swedes” decided to just ignore the advice. They’re blaming language skills and lack of information but mysteriously the lack of language skills doesn’t seem to hurt East Asian and East European migrants in the same way. I’m seeing various migrant groups behave in rather different ways on the streets of supposedly locked down Helsinki, too, and it’s all very predictable.
I suspect that it turns out that Sweden is in fact doing it right that shielding the elderly instead of shutting down the economy is better in the end but it doesn’t mean that the disease is sparing Sweden or that the low numbers mean anything, to the contrary, they’ve decided to let it spread and to keep their estimates of the real number secret. We’ll maybe know them after the epidemic once they start publishing studies – but only if it does turn out to be the right bet.
If corona turns out to be deadlier then it will be the thing that pops the entire “Scandinavian model” bubble. People abroad have been making the mistake of trusting Scandinavian governments and their invented statistics because Scandinavian people are honest in person.]
But is it working in Germany? If it is, then it was possible to accomplish and maybe Johnson should have stood his ground, no?
“So there is no reason not to let the younger people develop their immunity. Once they get it, they will not be able to spread it.”
I have no idea if that’s the case with this virus. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.
“Germany seems to have gotten the same number of cases as Spain or Italy. But their death rate is the lowest in the world. Thats because...”
I don’t think anyone knows why Germany’s numbers are as they are, or if they are accurate. People lie.
“You have to face it.”
Maybe. An established treatment protocol would be swell when that happens, especially for someone like me.
ConservativeMind, I don’t really care whether or not people go back to work. There’s nothing I can do to prompt them to do that, or stop them from doing that.
I’m just a dude sitting in my house trying not to get sick, and I’m going to have to keep doing that.
If other people want to try a different approach, they should.
Partial Mandatory masking. Masking required on only those who were “unwell” as they wander about and not stay in place didn’t work.
+ 1
In a couple of weeks the daily presser announcement will be a “good news, bad news”.
“The good news is that we’ve flattened the curve and we can start opening up. The bad news is that everyone will eventually be exposed, some will get sick, some will get really sick....but we’ll be able to treat you if you are one of the really sick ones.”
The Cluster at the Marina Bay Sands this week (the Hotel with the infinity pool everyone thinks of when people say “Singapore”) was probably the cluster that broke the camels back.
That and putting up all the malaysian workers in Dormitory’s (since the border was closed) was keeping the Virus alive to the tune of 75 new cases/day.
“This is a response you should read about handling the virus.”
Thanks, I saw the numbers going up in Singapore. Can’t say I’m surprised.
Japan is headed the same place. Let up too soon.
I’m starting to think these measures we have are a waste of time and money.
Sent this to a friend who has lived in NY too long, suffers from TDS level 3. Not the worst case of TDS but he comes from a more conservative/GOP family. He texted me the other day about “Trump’s failures” and pointed to Singapore as an example of how to do it right.
At the time I told him Singapore is much smaller country than the USA and it’s an island, much easier to control and communicate. Now we see, nobody gets pass on this virus. It’s truly a tragedy.
I too am curious how Taiwan is doing. It was disgusting to watch that guy from the WHO pretend Taiwan doesn’t even exist, as if the CCP has any control over what Taiwan is doing.
I get what you are saying but we have free will. I don’t want to catch it, period. I may be at risk due to CV history, I don’t know the full details on what underlying conditions are most vulnerable but it seems asthma and diabetes are primary.
With the free will, we can choose to self isolate as much as we can. IMO we should advise people to stay at home as much as possible especially over the next few weeks. We should not encourage people at seemingly lower risk to go on as usual because they have a 99% chance of just minor symptoms.
Meanwhile we don’t know enough about this disease. Just because someone developed antibodies, we don’t have any assurances as to when they are truly no longer contagious. They would need to test positive for antibodies, and negative for the virus - and you’d have to trust the test was accurate. There will be false negatives, and there will be tests where the viral load is too low to register as positive but doesn’t necessarily mean they cannot spread the disease.
It’s a tough spot to be in for all of humanity.
Boris isn’t looking too good. Hopefully gets through it OK. He’s been kicking ars from behind the walls on Downing Street via video monitor. But he looks worn down.
I arrived at the MBS on January 19th, and checked out on the 25th. The night before, everything was normal. The next day, much fewer people and everybody had masks. We were watching news from China and started prepping the day we got back to the States. It was obvious from the Chinese response that this was serious.
I should clarify that everything was normal on the 24th, and changed the next day.
Yep - if they don’t come up with some viable treatments/vaccines, all they are doing is delaying the inevitable...unless it dies down for the Summer - a very high percentage of folks will catch it no matter all the other gyrations...we continue precautions in hopes of staying away from it until they have better therapies or prophylactic treatments..
Singapore is a best case scenario for trying to control CCV with as few deaths as possible (so far the average age of the 6 dead are about 85 years old).
They research and quarantine all of the close contacts of those who test positive. Their one HUGE problem is many of the hourly workers were crossing over from Malaysia daily.
No problem we’ll close the border and put the essential foreign workers in up in Dormitories. Massive fail. after getting down to only 5 new cases a day, before closing the border, today they had 120 new cases, mostly from the foreign worker dormitories.
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