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To: Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; wita

Your being dishonest by trying to equate the LDS/St.Paul’s definition of the Godhead with the ‘Doctrine of the Trinity’.

There IS a Godhead defined in the Bible, God the Father, Jesus Christ-Son and Holy Ghost.

There IS NOT a ‘Homoousios’ 3-in-1; 1-in-3; heavenly-multiple-personality-disorder, as defined by the various Catholic Nicene, Apostolic, Athanasian Creeds.

THE TRIUNE (TRINITARIAN) GOD IS NOT THE SAME AS THE GODHEAD .... AND IS NOT DEFINED IN THE BIBLE!!!!


77 posted on 04/03/2020 4:00:20 AM PDT by teppe
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To: teppe
There IS NOT a ‘Homoousios’ 3-in-1; 1-in-3; heavenly-multiple-personality-disorder, as defined by the various Catholic Nicene, Apostolic, Athanasian Creeds.

Since YOU are making this claim (which your chosen religion has taught you) then SHOW us; from each of these creeds; what you are yelling about.

It should be a simple thing to do.



82 posted on 04/03/2020 5:22:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
Homoousion is a Christian theological term, most notably used in the Nicene Creed
for describing Jesus as "same in being" or "same in essence" with God the Father.
 
The same term was later also applied to the Holy Spirit in order to designate him
as being "same in essence" with the Father and the Son.
 
Wikipedia

The word homoousios means "same substance",
whereas the word homoiousios means "similar substance".
The council affirmed the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Godhead)
are of the homoousious (same substance).

 

"Jesus therefore said, 'When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me,'"

(John 8:28).

Why would Jesus say in John 8:28, "I do nothing of myself?" If he is God, can't he anything he wants?

Basic Christian theology teaches that Jesus is both divine and human at the same time. In other words, Jesus has two natures: God and man. We find support for this in the verses that say that "the Word was God and was with God," (John 1:1) and that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us," (John 1:14). Also, Col. 2:9 says that in Jesus "dwells all the fullness of the Godhead and bodily form." Therefore, Jesus is both divine and human in one person.

We also see from the Scriptures that even though Jesus was in the form of God, he emptied himself (Phil. 2:5-8), and in so doing was made for little while lower than the angels (Heb. 2:9), and was also under the law (Gal. 4:4). That is why we would see him grow in wisdom and stature (Luke 2:52) -- because he was a man as well as divine, but the divine nature, so to speak, was cooperating with the limitations of humanity in order to fulfill the Law, and ultimately die for our sins. We, therefore, can draw conclusions from the above biblical references.

  1. Jesus was subject to the Father (John 5:30).
  2. Jesus did not come to do his own will, but the will of the Father (Luke 22:42).
  3. Jesus was not sent of his own initiative but of the initiative of the Father (John 8:28).
  4. Under the law, if Jesus was obligated to fulfill that law, which included worshiping God (John 17).

Having laid this foundation, we can then see why Jesus would say that he could do nothing of his own initiative. It was not that he did not have a will or a desire to do things. The issue is that Jesus had come to do the will of the father and he was completely in subjection to the father. Therefore, in that complete subjection, he could do nothing on his own initiative.

This does not mean that Jesus is not divine. It means that Jesus, having two natures, and one of them being human, subjected himself voluntarily to the law, as a man, and operated completely under the requirements of a man. A proper and godly man would do nothing of his own initiative but would do anything and only everything that God would have him do.

 
 
https://carm.org/apologetics/verses-examined/john-828-i-do-nothing-my-own-initiative

83 posted on 04/03/2020 5:31:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
THE TRIUNE (TRINITARIAN) GOD IS NOT THE SAME AS THE GODHEAD .... AND IS NOT DEFINED IN THE BIBLE!!!!
 
 
Doesn't Mormonism teach that the bible is NOT everything GOD has to say to us?
Didn't Jospeh Smith translate MORE words of GOD??
Are not these words to be found in the Book of Mormon???
 

Book of Mormon:

Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


"Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


"And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)


84 posted on 04/03/2020 5:34:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe

I’m sorry that there are no Greek words to be found in the Book of Mormon; so that one can study them more closely.

And I’m sorry that there are no Reformed-Egyptian words to be found in the BoM; either; so that Joseph Smith’s claims of translating them can be put to the test.

Yes; put to the test by MORMON scholars.

So; when we find English words and phrases like ‘One GOD’ and
‘Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God’; we simply HAVE to take them at face value; wouldn’t you say?

‘It is what it is’.

If the Spanish speaking folks would like t have a ‘translation’ of the BoM in THEIR language; there is NO going back to the source document.

They HAVE to rely on what JS converted to English; and then get a re-translation of that into Spanish.


86 posted on 04/03/2020 5:42:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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