[wastoute]

You might want to rethink that. The doctor in NYC said he had been intubating people all day and none survived. As a retired doctor that is the definition of horror.

[Elsie]

The doctor in NYC said he had been intubating people all day and none survived.

Note to self: Don't EVER be 'treated' by THIS dude!

[cuban leaf]

Meh. Too much misinformation out there, onsey, twosey.

My wife and I are 66. I still don’t take this thing seriously. I’m just enjoying working from home. It saves me a three hour commute and a fillup every other day. My wife and I are still more concerned about the REAL flu than this thing. Let me know when it gets as bad as the swine flu did - and I didn’t really know much about that one until AFTER it had passed.

The only affect this has had on my life is all positive.

[Zhang Fei]

You might want to rethink that. The doctor in NYC said he had been intubating people all day and none survived. As a retired doctor that is the definition of horror.

There's a Chinese study, translated in Lancet, stating that 97% of intubations for covid-19 ended up with the patient dying anyway. Whereas patients put on ventilators who did not require intubation had a slightly higher survival rate, with only 92% dying. Ventilators help people get oxygen, but don't prevent the multiple organ failure that is the said to be the cause of death for a significant number of deaths. I wonder if compromised immune systems are a factor for organ shutdowns.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext

What's curious about this article is that only 21% of patients got antivirals (of which 29% died). I wonder why.

Table 2Treatments and outcomes

	Total (n=191)	Non-survivor (n=54)	Survivor (n=137)	p value
Treatments *
Antibiotics	181 (95%)	53 (98%)	128 (93%)	0·15
Antiviral treatment	41 (21%)	12 (22%)	29 (21%)	0·87
Corticosteroids	57 (30%)	26 (48%)	31 (23%)	0·0005
Intravenous immunoglobin	46 (24%)	36 (67%)	10 (7%)	<0·0001
High-flow nasal cannula oxygen therapy	41 (21%)	33 (61%)	8 (6%)	<0·0001
Non-invasive mechanical ventilation	26 (14%)	24 (44%)	2 (1%)	<0·0001
Invasive mechanical ventilation	32 (17%)	31 (57%)	1 (1%)	<0·0001
ECMO	3 (2%)	3 (6%)	0	0·0054
Renal replacement therapy	10 (5%)	10 (19%)	0	<0·0001

[zeestephen]

Re: The doctor in NYC said he had been intubating people all day and none survived. As a retired doctor that is the definition of horror.

Do you believe him?

The “Case Fatality Rate” in New York state is 1.2%.

The CFR in New York City is 1.6%.

The CFR for the entire USA is 1.5%. That rate has been steady or slightly falling for three straight weeks.