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To: wastoute

You might want to rethink that. The doctor in NYC said he had been intubating people all day and none survived. As a retired doctor that is the definition of horror.

There's a Chinese study, translated in Lancet, stating that 97% of intubations for covid-19 ended up with the patient dying anyway. Whereas patients put on ventilators who did not require intubation had a slightly higher survival rate, with only 92% dying. Ventilators help people get oxygen, but don't prevent the multiple organ failure that is the said to be the cause of death for a significant number of deaths. I wonder if compromised immune systems are a factor for organ shutdowns.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30566-3/fulltext

What's curious about this article is that only 21% of patients got antivirals (of which 29% died). I wonder why.

Table 2Treatments and outcomes
  Total (n=191) Non-survivor (n=54) Survivor (n=137) p value

Treatments

Antibiotics 181 (95%) 53 (98%) 128 (93%) 0·15
Antiviral treatment 41 (21%) 12 (22%) 29 (21%) 0·87
Corticosteroids 57 (30%) 26 (48%) 31 (23%) 0·0005
Intravenous immunoglobin 46 (24%) 36 (67%) 10 (7%) <0·0001
High-flow nasal cannula oxygen therapy 41 (21%) 33 (61%) 8 (6%) <0·0001
Non-invasive mechanical ventilation 26 (14%) 24 (44%) 2 (1%) <0·0001
Invasive mechanical ventilation 32 (17%) 31 (57%) 1 (1%) <0·0001
ECMO 3 (2%) 3 (6%) 0 0·0054
Renal replacement therapy 10 (5%) 10 (19%) 0 <0·0001

20 posted on 03/27/2020 5:45:34 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

To put someone on a vent you have t intubate them. I certainly have never seen anyone try something else and i imagine if you tried there would be so many leaks you wouldn’t even be ventilating the patient. You. Would be ventilating the room.


22 posted on 03/27/2020 5:49:32 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Zhang Fei
There's a Chinese study, translated in Lancet, stating that 97% of intubations for covid-19 ended up with the patient dying anyway.

Whereas patients put on ventilators who did not require intubation had a slightly higher survival rate, with only 92% dying.

Whew!!

THAT's a relief!!

But really; how long do they LIVE before they finally die?

25 posted on 03/27/2020 5:51:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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