Posted on 03/23/2020 8:44:51 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
A Florida man diagnosed with coronavirus claims he was saved from certain death by an anti-malaria drug touted as a possible treatment by President Trump.
Rio Giardinieri, 52, told Los Angeles’ Fox 11 that he struggled with horrendous back pain, headaches, cough and fatigue for five days after catching COVID-19, possibly at a conference in New York.
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I'll take the chance of "incidents" over death any day.
Since you're so knowledgeable, what was the PERCENTAGE of soldiers taking it who had problems.
FYI, my wife has been on hydroxychloroquine for decades with no side effects. Just sayin’.
Not the same. Two related but different compounds. The "H" version has fewer side effects and works better. Still widely available and inexpensive (FDA approved in 1955)
Yes you are right! Sorry didn’t catch that if that was misleading.
Do you know if anyone is prescribing Aralen or conversely if doctors are refusing to use it with these patients? Since there is a run and a shortage right now, either one ought to help and should be safe enough, under doctor’s care absolutely, of course. No? I believe there is even a form that a compounding pharmacist could make up in a pinch. Right?
There are problems when these compounds are taken with other meds that patients are on for their other conditions like heart disease, the most vulnerable patients. This is all clearly listed in the contraindications.
Should I be thinking that the doctors are not being careful with this? I saw that the Chinese doctors were upping dosages in dangerous ways.
I think it works in more than one way, as a zinc ionophore (RdRP inhibitor), and as an anti-inflammatory (although I don’t know why it would be better than other anti-inflammatory drugs, that are not working on COVID-19).
Thanks for the correction. I do require it and thank you everyone for all contradiction and controversy.
Yes you are right! Sorry didn’t catch that if that was misleading.
Do you know if anyone is prescribing Aralen or conversely if doctors are refusing to use it with these patients? Since there is a run and a shortage right now, either one ought to help and should be safe enough, under doctor’s care absolutely, of course. No? I believe there is even a form that a compounding pharmacist could make up in a pinch. Right?
There are problems when these compounds are taken with other meds that patients are on for their other conditions like heart disease, the most vulnerable patients. This is all clearly listed in the contraindications.
Should I be thinking that the doctors are not being careful with this? I saw that the Chinese doctors were upping dosages in dangerous ways.
I think it works in more than one way, as a zinc ionophore (RdRP inhibitor), and as an anti-inflammatory (although I don’t know why it would be better than other anti-inflammatory drugs, that are not working on COVID-19).
Thanks for the correction. I do require it and thank you everyone for all contradiction and controversy.
I haven’t written a prescription in years as I have been retired so long my license, DEA #, and Boards have all expired. If the Army starts hurting so bad they want me back they are gonna have to be desperate because that is gonna cost them a pair of Silver Eagles and a waiver on all those regulations. LOL. Not gonna happen.
I like the way you think! I don’t drink much, but I do like a glass of wine every couple of weeks — Chianti with Italian.
What is it with me and the double posting!? My laptop does freeze sometimes...
Good of you, wastoute, to make yourself available for questions here. I know it must be frustrating. I saw Jim Noble had made essentially the same comment more than a dozen times, he’s so trying to be patient and kind. He’s still in practice too so still very busy every day.
gas_dr is a practicing anesthesiologist working the emergency room, I think, who helps here some and Mom MD is in practice and still helps here.
I have told you before so you can ignore me when I say again I hold you in the highest regard. You, Jim, Mom, gas, all of you we do not deserve your sacrifice.
True for any medication. Which is why those folks should ONLY take them under well-supervised conditions until dosages are better understood, especially for use as a preventive agent, or in combination with another drug such as azithromycin. But the "H" plus "Z" combo will only be used on critically ill patients anyway.
Thank you for your kind remarks.
You are so right! This message needs to be spread everywhere. Perhaps because hcq is thought of as a malaria preventative there are folks who want it as a COVID-19 preventative. Not necessary! Part of this run on the medicine is hospital pharmacies stocking up in anticipation of need, but I truly hope that explains the shortage and that hording is not a problem. Thanks Wart!
There is another possible explanation.
Were I a hospital administrator, I would have all my staff on hydroxychloroquine at the known safe "malarial" dosage, with regular supervision by hospital doctors. We NEED to keep those folks healthy at all costs. A small temporary shortage for the purpose is, IMO, acceptable.
The production pipelines here and elsewhere are ramping up and soon there will be a supply sufficiency (and probably excess).
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