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Supreme Court Weighs Whether Encouraging Unlawful Immigration Is a Crime
NYT ^ | February 25, 2020 | Adam Liptak

Posted on 02/25/2020 1:34:20 PM PST by Stravinsky

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday seemed doubtful that a 1986 federal law that makes it a crime to “encourage” unauthorized immigrants to come to or stay in the United States could be squared with the First Amendment.

“The statute isn’t aimed at speech,” said Eric J. Feigin, a lawyer for the federal government defending the law.

But several justices appeared skeptical, saying that the ordinary meaning of the word “encourage” could subject countless people to criminal liability.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. asked about “a grandmother whose granddaughter is in the United States illegally.” Would it be a crime, he wanted to know, if she told her granddaughter, “I hope you will stay because, you know, I will miss you; things will not get better if you go back, so I encourage you to stay.

Mr. Feigin said the court should read the law narrowly to protect such statements. “Something that abstract and attenuated is not going to be criminal complicity,” he said.

The examples kept coming. Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh asked about charities providing food to unauthorized immigrants. Mr. Feigin said that might be covered by the law, subjecting the charity to prosecution.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer asked about “the landlady who says to the person, ‘You always have a place here,’ knowing that that person is illegally in the United States.”

“Or, you know, we can list universities, church groups — I mean, you name it — sanctuary cities,” he continued.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigration; scotus; trump
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1 posted on 02/25/2020 1:34:20 PM PST by Stravinsky
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... Whether Encouraging Unlawful Immigration Is a Crime

Yes, it is. Next case...

2 posted on 02/25/2020 1:38:08 PM PST by econjack
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To: Stravinsky

Roberts will vote against this one. Look for a 5-4 loss


3 posted on 02/25/2020 1:38:39 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Youth, speed and energy can always be overcome with experience and treachery.)
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To: Stravinsky

“I think everyone should go out and rob a bank”.

Is that Free Speech, Supreme Court? Or did I just yell “fire” in a movie house?


4 posted on 02/25/2020 1:38:59 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Stravinsky

Action should result in prosectution, not words. Offering a bed, offering food, offering a job, etc. Conspiring to connect an illegal with help to enter or stay is action that should be prosecuted.


5 posted on 02/25/2020 1:39:11 PM PST by Reno89519 (No Amnesty! No Catch-and-Release! Just Say No to All Illegal Aliens! Arrest & Deport!)
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To: Stravinsky
Similarly, is encouraging someone to STEAL, Commit FRAUD, MURDER, etc a CRIME?

They really have lost their way from the TRUTH.

This reminds me of Bill Clintons' famous defense to his indictment by saying "It depends of what 'IS' is!"

6 posted on 02/25/2020 1:41:58 PM PST by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be the Cat Food instead.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I would tend to agree with you on this one.


7 posted on 02/25/2020 1:44:55 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Stravinsky

It’s called being an accessory.


8 posted on 02/25/2020 1:46:07 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (If you don't recognize that as sarcasm you are dumber than a bag of hammers.)
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To: Stravinsky

This justice department lawyer is an idiot.

Not to say private individuals shouldn’t be held responsible, but there are plenty of crimes committed daily where a felon is arrested in the presence of some other person, either in their home or car, and that person walks off with no charges.

His answer should have been that this law should be intended for any local, state, or federal agent or employee acting in their official capacity, to encourage this type of activity.


9 posted on 02/25/2020 1:48:46 PM PST by shotgun
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Last thing I knew, encouraging someone to commit, or even helping them to commit a crime was considered being an accessory to that crime. And these same individuals should be charged with obstructing federal agencies from being able to do their job of enforcing those laws.


10 posted on 02/25/2020 1:48:52 PM PST by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Michael.SF.

Yes I agree we’re going to lose this one. Never forget Roberts smacked down AZ for enforcing federal immigration laws. Besides he does not want to upset the dumb Latina again.


11 posted on 02/25/2020 1:50:06 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: Michael.SF.

The wise and fat Latina put the fear of refried beans into him


12 posted on 02/25/2020 1:50:16 PM PST by shotgun
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To: prophetic
Similarly, is encouraging someone to STEAL, Commit FRAUD, MURDER, etc a CRIME?

Why is suborning perjury a crime, too?

-PJ

13 posted on 02/25/2020 1:52:24 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: gibsonguy
. Never forget Roberts smacked down AZ for enforcing federal immigration laws. Besides he does not want to upset the dumb Latina again.

As far as I'm concerned Roberts' is a compromised judge and Obama has his B@lls in a glass jar somewhere.

14 posted on 02/25/2020 1:52:50 PM PST by prophetic (Trump is today's DANIEL. Shut the mouth of lions Lord, let his enemies be the Cat Food instead.)
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To: Stravinsky

I dare anyone to ‘encourage’ people not to pay their taxes, and then see where the court comes down on the issue.


15 posted on 02/25/2020 2:01:25 PM PST by LIConFem (I will no longer accept the things I cannot change. it's time to change the things I cannot accept)
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To: shotgun
This justice department lawyer is an idiot.

They have a supply of those. They send them to SCOTUS whenever they want to deliberately tank a case.


16 posted on 02/25/2020 2:16:57 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s my take on it as well


17 posted on 02/25/2020 2:17:42 PM PST by shotgun
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To: Stravinsky

“What about the grandma who says, we’ll all be better off without grandpa, wink wink”?

And then they kill grandpa.

Of course it’s a damn crime!

It certainly should be a crime for any government official to encourage mass criminality.


18 posted on 02/25/2020 2:27:37 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Stravinsky

And these are our Supreme Judges! Makes me sick!


19 posted on 02/25/2020 2:33:01 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!)
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To: Stravinsky

Is Whoppi Goldberg on the court? Rape? Rape?


20 posted on 02/25/2020 2:40:20 PM PST by keving (We the government)
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