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Former ATF agent at center of legal dispute over AR-15
CNN ^ | Updated 7:25 AM ET, Fri February 7, 2020 | Scott Glover

Posted on 02/08/2020 10:09:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

(CNN) - In his 23 years with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Dan O'Kelly was one of the agency's top gun experts.

He served for five years as the lead firearms technology instructor at the ATF National Academy, where he co-wrote the curriculum for incoming agents.

These days, however, O'Kelly is using his formidable firearms expertise and institutional knowledge of the ATF to take aim at his former employer.

He's at the center of a brewing legal dispute that federal prosecutors say has the potential to upend the 1968 Gun Control Act and "seriously undermine the ATF's ability to trace and regulate firearms nationwide."

As O'Kelly sees it, the ATF has been deliberately misinterpreting a key gun control regulation for decades because officials fear that following the letter of the law would allow criminals to build AR-15s and other firearms piece by piece with unregulated parts.

He said he voiced his concerns to an ATF official two decades ago, but was rebuffed.

Now, however, his view is gaining traction in courtrooms around the country.

In December, a federal judge in Ohio dismissed weapons-related charges against two men after O'Kelly testified that the AR-15 part at issue in their case was not subject to federal law or regulation.

US District Court Judge James G. Carr for the Northern District of Ohio called the ATF's long-standing interpretation of the regulation "unreasonable and legally unacceptable."

ATF said in a statement to CNN that it was reviewing that case and others involving the issue and would have no further comment until that review is complete. The agency declined to discuss O'Kelly's testimony as an expert witness.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 6thcircuit; ar15; atf; banglist; danokelly; jamescarr; judiciary; politicaljudiciary; rapinbilljudge; sixthcircuit
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1 posted on 02/08/2020 10:09:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Google up “ATF Institutional Perjury” sometime. They’ve been doing it for decades.

L


2 posted on 02/08/2020 10:11:12 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

shall not be infringed


3 posted on 02/08/2020 10:14:11 AM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE).)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Criminals will always be able to get guns.

The American “war on drugs” is in its 111th year. Law enforcement is being beat in every town and city I could name.


4 posted on 02/08/2020 10:17:31 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Chinese are happy to make things for money.


5 posted on 02/08/2020 10:19:06 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin
Law enforcement is being beat in every town and city I could name.

"Law Enforcement" has grown and prospered with the War on Some Drugs...

6 posted on 02/08/2020 10:20:53 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The NRA should offer gun making workshops for leftist legislators so the leftists understand that “gun control” is as impossible as me flying to Richmond, Virgina by beating my arms furiously.


7 posted on 02/08/2020 10:21:09 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'm no expert on any part of the Constitution...and that goes double for the 2nd Amendment. But there's one thing I'm sure of: no state,county or municipality should have the legal authority to regulate in *any* way the manufacture,sale,purchase,possession or reasonable use (that is,except when use of a firearm is connected to a crime) of a firearm. The only legislative body that should have the authority to do so is the United States Congress...House and Senate.

And,of course,any such laws passed by Congress would be subject to Constitutional scrutiny by the Federal courts as are all other laws passed by Congress.

The state I live in is bordered by two states that basically have no laws restricting firearm purchase or possession yet in my state you have to know a politician or a police chief to even possess a stun gun,let alone a firearm.

8 posted on 02/08/2020 10:21:11 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: Lurker

The issue is:
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“Unfinished receivers”, also called “80 percent receivers” or “blanks”, which are partially completed receivers with no serial numbers.
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Purchasers must perform their own finishing work in order to make the receiver usable.
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The finishing of receivers for sale or distribution by unlicensed persons is against US law.
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Because an unfinished 80% receiver is not a firearm, purchasers do not need to pass a background check.
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There are several businesses that will sell you an 80% receiver and all the drill bits and milling tools to make it a full automatic.
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However, once you make a “machine gun” you are subject to Federal licensing laws even if you don’t sell it.


9 posted on 02/08/2020 10:22:02 AM PST by gandalftb
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I find this news surprising - not the fact that ATF is violating the law but that one of their (former) agents continues to testify on the side of truth. That’s a better percentage than I expect from BATFE.


10 posted on 02/08/2020 10:24:04 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Brian Griffin

There has not been a “war on drugs”.

If there had been one, the borders and the coasts would have been secured at the onset.


11 posted on 02/08/2020 10:24:23 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: marktwain

It’s an industry especially with local asset and cash confiscation laws

It’s their money

They get all sorts of fun stuff taking your money

People here think the government can’t find folks to go door to door on guns

Oh yes they can....same sorts who love suiting up for drugs will come for guns

Those guys sitting in the median on rural interstates in black SUVS looking for cash

Tell them is they find a firearms they can confiscate the vehicle

Or the house....

You can always find lackeys


12 posted on 02/08/2020 10:26:12 AM PST by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Dump GCA 68 and NFA 34. Get back to the guarantee as written and quit guessing what the founders thought.


13 posted on 02/08/2020 10:27:18 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
the article avoids stating the details of the law or what is in "conflict".

Under the US Code of Federal Regulations, a firearm frame or receiver is defined as: “That part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.”

A quick review of the AR-15 lower:
-houses the hammer [check]
-houses the bolt [nope]
-houses the breachblock - i.e. closes the chamber [nope]
-houses the firing mechanism - firing pin [nope]

14 posted on 02/08/2020 10:30:02 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: gandalftb

“However, once you make a “machine gun” you are subject to Federal licensing laws even if you don’t sell it.”

Not entirely true. One Circuit court found that if it never enters interstate commerce it’s perfectly legal. The ATF never appealed the ruling because they knew they’d lose.

4th if I remember right.

L


15 posted on 02/08/2020 10:31:25 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Pollster1
Not to worry. He's scheduled for an Arkancide.


16 posted on 02/08/2020 10:32:11 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
the ATF has been deliberately misinterpreting a key gun control regulation for decades

The idiots at CNN completely miss the significance this sentence.

Innumerable people have been arrested and had their lives ruined for not breaking the law because the ATF determined that's what should be.

All the baloney about evil criminals, making innumerable numbers of AR-15s to terrorize the general population is complete hogwash.

Even in some bizarre Universe if that were true, The ATF is not protecting anyone by putting citizens who have not broken the law into jail. The ATF is in violation of the law not the people. The policymakers at the ATF should be in jail. This is a rogue government agency that decides who should be free who should be arrested based on their own criteria and the hell with the law. This is despotism in its purest sense.

17 posted on 02/08/2020 10:33:03 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: faithhopecharity

Still looking for the part of the 2nd amendment that says:
“A bureau will be formed to see the proper distribution of firearms is carried out or regulated as needed.” Crickets!


18 posted on 02/08/2020 10:36:56 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: MrEdd

“There has not been a “war on drugs”. If there had been one, the borders and the coasts would have been secured at the onset.”

Yep. It’s been a LEO jobs program.


19 posted on 02/08/2020 10:38:25 AM PST by polymuser (It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and so few by deceit. Noel Coward)
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To: Lurker

Nope:

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/guide/atf-national-firearms-act-handbook-atf-p-53208/download


20 posted on 02/08/2020 10:40:31 AM PST by gandalftb
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