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To: volunbeer; Cboldt

“Respectfully, you seem to be saying “just give up because it ain’t gonna happen.” In other words.... the deep state always wins.

I don’t think Cboldt is saying “just give up” or “throw in the towel”.

Rather, he is saying “stop expecting an unelected government bureaucracy to hold ITSELF accountable.” That will never happen. Only the voters can hold government accountable, and that’s what elections are for.

Expecting the DOJ or other government agencies to hold themselves accountable, is a pipe dream, or a “charade” as Cboldt aptly calls it.

Miriam-Webster Dictionary: To be accountable means to be subject to giving an account or having the obligation to report, explain or justify something.

That definition implies the obligation to be accountable to others - “self accountability” is a nonsensical, oxymoronic concept.

I think Cboldt has put his finger on the reason the hoped for indictments never happen - the federal government is not going to purge itself. Only the voters can do that - and that is exactly why Donald Trump will will be re-elected in 2020, with coattails and a mandate to finally fire people that need to be fired.

President Trump, by winning in 2016, in effect “fired” Hillary Clinton and a whole host of deep state criminals who would have been running the government, had she won the Presidency. Then he fired Comey and a few more. He probably would have liked to keep firing them but Senators and Congressmen warned him the public support was not there

The problem was that his mandate for purging the deep state was not clear.

So that is what the President has focused on for 3 years; refrain from premature purge, defending his record, keep his promises, pass his agenda, appoint constitutional judges, and slowly but surely, educate the people, expose the fake news and the deep state, and seek a mandate for his second term.

If he receives that mandate, I think you will see more people fired - you will see some people pardoned - you will still not see a lot of indictments because the voters want reform, not payback.

Apologies,Cboldt, for presuming to guess your meaning - I just thought your point about “the charade of government self-accountability” was profound.


67 posted on 02/06/2020 2:17:11 PM PST by enumerated
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To: enumerated
-- Apologies,Cboldt, for presuming to guess your meaning ... --

You did great. I owe you a "whatever you want."

I wish I knew a way to get the public to wise up and get interested. If a critical mass of people rose up (and that is, I think, a shockingly small fraction), things will change.

As for why no charges, I think that is because non-violent sedition is not a crime. The government looks out for itself first, the people second.

68 posted on 02/06/2020 2:30:40 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: enumerated

I think I am very frustrated with this and agree with what you said. I said long ago that I strongly suspected that Ryan was the one who backed Trump down on getting to the bottom of the corruption and then the Mueller and all the other nonsense began.

I have maintained all along that the deep state and democrat investigations had nothing to do with “justice” and everything to do with proactively preventing an examination of what occurred and all of what I wrote previously on this thread. Ukrainegate confirmed that for me.

It is a shame that more Americans cannot see this as it is seems quite obvious.

I sincerely pray that we will see Trump unleashed after November. He has not done a single thing that I can see to “benefit himself” and has been sincere about taking action on our behalf instead of the ruling class.

It is hard for me to swallow that he will let this rot remain in our government unmolested, but I get that he lives in a political world now and every action has an upside and a downside.

It is sometimes easier to leave things alone if the solution is too messy. Human nature strikes again. That is why we spend so much more than we take in each year because the politicians would be punished for “fixing it” so we continue the slide to our inevitable economic Armageddon, but that is for another thread.


71 posted on 02/06/2020 2:54:16 PM PST by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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